I simply said she defeated his army
It’s your problem you saw something that wasn’t there.
You’re the one who saw something that wasn’t there.
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Nah
Good talk though
Well, thanks for providing examples of demonstratably false statements.
As I said, Khadgar was a member of a defunct Alliance, not the current one. The same way Guldan was never a part of the current Horde.
Khadgar has been aggressively neutral for all of WoW’s history.
He was not even on planet when the Alliance was formed.
There being a statue of him does not make him Alliance.
In the park in front of the White House (Lafayette Park) is a statue of General Comte de Rochambeau. Do you think that makes him American? He wasn’t. He was a French nobleman and military officer. His statue is there because America felt they owed him, were thankful to him.
Similarly, Khadgar’s statue in in Stormwind because they felt like they owed him a debt for saving the world.
It is amazing how you can say that while actively lying.
In different places repeatedly. That is moving it.
Thanks for confirming you don’t know the lore.
She was captured repeatedly:
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: Indeed. I’ve broken free countless times, only to end up back in a cage.
She couldn’t defeat everything if she ended up back in a cage every time.
And if you followed any of the lore you would know the Jailor was testing them. And again, Thrall was with her.
So, again you are either willfully ignorant or lying. I am betting on the lying part.
Also, she didn’t defeat everything. She was recaptured ‘countless time.’ Meaning she clearly had to lose some fights (countless fights in fact).
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Only if you say:
Thrall’s Balls
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Meringue lies to the surprise of no one.
Jaina killed the folks sent to beat her.
She got portalles into trapz just lik the player can be.
I’d tell you to use your grey matter, but even if you did you’d just lie anyway.
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“Any character I come up with, you’re just going to invent a reason why they don’t count.”
Regardless, Thrall was only an issue through the Dragonsoul content. Even if you’re unwilling to admit Khadgar is an Alliance Hero, we’ve been made to tag along with Malfurion and Tyrande (Night Elves in general—Illidan, Maiev, Jarod, Shandris) enough times over the years to drown whatever screentime Thrall took. That time spent with Tyrande usually involves her snarking us even as we put up with incessant "MY LOVE!"s.
And Velen. And Anduin. And now Lilian Voss is obsessed with having us quest on behalf of Alliance freshmen. And Calia “I’m totally not Alliance” Menethil. And Jaina. And the Alliance skewed Class Order Halls.
Even in Shadowlands: Draka, Mograine, Vashj, Kael’Thas, Uther, and… oh boy, Night Elves again! We got to watch Garrosh disenchant his own soul, which somehow managed to be the high point of the entire expansion despite being quickly animated by one guy in-house who wanted to give him anything resembling a send off.
Dragonflight: OH HEY, LOOK. MORE NIGHT ELVES.
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And you call me dishonest.
Jaina (with Thralls help) did win some fights. But she got captured every time prior to the player saving her. That means she lost fights, in other words did not win every time. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that. You are just trying to dodge the evidence because you know you are wrong.
All this work to dodge the obvious fact that during Cata Thrall had a larger presence than any other faction based character in any expac. You know your wrong, I know your wrong. Everyone knows your wrong. Trying to play the victim and pretend Jaina was this untouchable character despite all the evidence to the contrary does change that.
Ahh the strawman.
We could go back and forth with all the different heroes we had to work with from the other faction. But that was NOT the discussion point. Nobody said Horde never quested with Alliance characters. They do, just as Alliance has to work with Horde at times. But we weren’t even discussing that. Heck, the issue wasn’t even if it was okay or not. The discussion was that other faction based characters had more representation in an expac than Thrall.
Go ahead and waste your time trying to pretend you are the victim. It isn’t true and you know it.
Both Horde and Alliance PCs deal with crap, bad stories, being stuck with the other faction heroes, etc. When you try to pretend and/or imply it doesn’t happen to the ‘other side’ you just make a fool of yourself.
Example:
Sure. Guess what, that is also what happens Alliance PCs questing with Horde characters. Snark is common and often even direct threats.
You don’t like it, fine. You want to give feedback that Blizzard shouldn’t do that because it upsets you? Go ahead, that is your feedback. But don’t act like it doesn’t happen in the reverse. When you do it either means you are willfully ignorant or you are a hypocrite.
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You are projecting. I think the argument over whose bowl of diarrhea is fuller has always been stupid.
What we’re discussing is how vacant the recent expansions have been of Horde involvement, which of course got derailed by Green Jesus Thrall nonsense that is 1.) incorrect, and 2.) 13 years ago, which speaks volumes enough on its own that someone needs to reach 13 years back as some sort of refutation of what is blatantly obvious by now.
As I’ve said consistently, I don’t care if the Alliance get representation (they should), but I do care that the Horde have been getting squat for multiple expansions in a row.
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If you believe that was the discussion you missed A LOT.
You jumped into the middle of Dread trying to justify saying it was so bad that Thrall left the Horde while Alliance characters who became expansion main characters did not get the same treatment. When I replied that other faction characters did not get become expansion characters to nearly the degree of Thrall he started jumping through hoops to move the goal post around and gaslight everyone.
In this case you jumped in to try and support his ‘well, Khadgar was Alliance and got more screen time.’
This kind of comment frustrates me. It is just not true. Plus it carries an implication that Horde is getting less than the Alliance.
BfA was LOADED with Horde representation. They even had a series of fully mastered cinematics for Horde story and representation. They also had an extra quest chain for Horde story. To call that expac “squat” for Horde representation would be laughable.
And, while there was not much faction content in SL (for either Horde or Alliance) it was not as little as people like to portray. Ardeanweald had the most faction content and it was pretty evenly split. Not to mention how big a part Sylvanas plays in it. Plus some resolution and answers for the Forsaken, including a special chain of quests to reclaim Undercity.
Dragonflight was pretty lean for both factions. There was some. Cairne got quests and resolutions. Night Elves got to replace Teldrassil. Beyond that it was only little tidbits here and there. But it was overall a very neutral expac.
And, sure TWW has been very little Horde story so far. But, it is the first patch. And Blizzard has explicitly said Horde representation IS coming.
No, I made a separate comment not aimed at either of you and you responded, which is the only reason we’re even talking now. I’m the one who pointed out Khadgar.
Oh, and that Horde content that is coming is a raid against Gallywix lol.
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And the ENTIRE zone of Undermine that we’ll be questing in and exploring. But I guess that was ignored intentionally?
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Or I’m highlighting that “Horde content” is once again delivering the thing that Horde players have repeatedly begged them to stop doing.
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And I’m highlighting we’re getting a major horde content patch with the goblin city of Undermine
tbf most Horde players I’ve seen wanted Gallywix’s head on a spike since Cata because he should not have continued to be the leader of the Bildgewater Cartel.
BFA turned him into a joke because he very much was one. Like nothing about his portrayal in BFA was “positive”. He saw himself as Mekkatorques better and what happened? The Gnome King sent him running away crying. TWICE
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Yep, we are.
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Gallywix was comedy relief and was often hilarious. Darin de Paul killed it every time.
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That and his replacement has been pretty universally considered the better option.
Who I have a VERY strong suspicion will be involved in taking out Gallywix.
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Didn’t we end up with Gallywix ranting over that Gnome’s blown up machine because he had an escape pod?
I mean, the Gnome King had to flee in an escape pod or die. He ran away too.
She famously left the Horde after BfA and was an antagonist to both Factions at the time.
It’s funny how the best example of recent Horde content they can muster is…. Characters who have left the Horde and are antagonists to both Factions…
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I prefer the term Catholic because it refers to the universality of God and because I know I can never come close to Christ who was perfect. But you do you!
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