Hey meringue.
The horde did quest with Jaina in BFA.
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Hell, we defend her from the victims of her ethnic cleansing.
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This is amusing to me, because while Thrallâs questlines were kinda obnoxious, they didnât dominate Cataclysm. I would say the problem is that Thrall became the main character during the Dragonsoul arc, stood in for an Aspect, stole the kill on Deathwing, etc.
Khadgar and Illidan (Legion) ate up more screen time than Thrall. Khadgar in general has probably been the most featured NPC across all expansions, but people donât notice or mind because he is neither intrusive or obtrusive when heâs involved. Contrast that with Alleria or Anduin (or Thrall in Dragonsoul) in this expansion (so far) who commandeer the narrative and turn the player into pedestrians in the story.
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I didnât really find Anduin all that intrusive this expansion. But I think Faerin being an interesting character really helped to offset that. For me at least.
As for Alleria, I personally am enjoying her arc so far and her interactions with Xalaâtath. Sure there were some head shaking moments on her part, but sheâs been growing on me suprisingly.
Horde barely interacted with Jaina in BfA. Mostly just in the questing with Baine the Horde did.
Now compare that to Alliance with Thrall in Cata and you will see what it means to actually quest with a character.
We could argue back and forth about how much in any specific expac. But that kind of misses a big point here:
Neither of them are part of either the Horde or Alliance factions. And never have been. Which is distinctly different than Thrall.
I really want to highlight the part I bolded. If, and I stress the IF part, they remain the central focus for the content patches of this expansion they could become the faction characters with the most expac focus. But that very much remains to be seen. And both stories feel like they hit a âwrapped up for a bitâ note at the end of this patch questing. I will be surprised if we immediately come back to them in the next big content patch, which I suspect will be Undermine and not related to them at all.
Completely agree. I didnât really care for her prior to TWW, but I am finding myself liking her story this expac.
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Youâre lying.
Or youâve forgotten how little you interact with Thrall in cataclysm.
Also, member the longest patch in warcrafts entire history?
Member who sat on the floor while Jaina repeatedly went off and adventured?
Member how Jaina couldnât be defeated by the jailer who was receiving every deceased soul in the multiverse?
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You are so full of it. You say that after talking about how the Horde quested with Jaina in BfA. Just wow. Talk about dishonest.
You accuse me of moving the goal post and then you try to jump from Cata to SL.
And then there isâŚ
Do you know any of the lore? Like at all?
She lost repeatedly to him repeatedly. She was caught every time she escaped until we found her. Also, guess who else was in the cave helping her. In case it slipped your mind, Thrall.
Also, she was being tested and tormented. Here is a little refresher:
Lady Jaina Proudmoore says: When you first arrived, I wasnât sure if you were even real⌠or if you were just another illusion meant to torment us.
Either you have no understanding of the lore and are to hard headed to admit it, or you are just blatantly dishonest and think you can gaslight by saying false things enough. Either way, I am not wasting any more on your repeated falsehoods.
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Nah, not playing that shell game. Khadgar is a human, his besties are Alleria and Turalyon (the Regent of Stormwind and Supreme Commander of the Alliance), and he was one of the heads of the Alliance expedition to Draenor/Outland. If his choosing to be neutral and work with both factions gets to count, then so does Thrall stepping away from the Horde to join the Earthen Ring in Cataclysm.
Theyâve set up Alleria as Xalâatathâs chief rival, heading into an expansion that is about Thalassian Elves and what is likely the ultimate Light/Void conflict (Midnight, which is probably Renilash). All of which is to say I expect Alleria, Anduin, and Faerin to remain part of the major story beats for the foreseeable future. Which is fine. I donât care that theyâre there in a broad sense, just that weâre heading into our third expansion where the themes are bending in one blatant direction. They need to do better.
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He has always been aggressively neutral. Being human doesnât make him Alliance. Just like there are LOTS of Goblins that are not Horde, LOTS of Trolls that are not Horde, etc.
Human does not equal Alliance.
He was part of the Alliance of Lordaeron. That Alliance was made up of 4 different groups.
Lordaeron (Now Forsaken, Horde)
High Elves (Now Blood Elves, Horde)
Dwarves (Alliance)
Gnomes (Alliance)
His Alliance has equal connection to both the current Horde and Alliance.
Thrall wasnât neutral because he still favored the Horde and he returned to the Horde. If you followed any of his questing, conversation text, etc. you would know he was pretty solidly a Horde proponent. He was just acting in a neutral capacity for long enough to fulfill the needed task. And importantly he returned to the Horde as soon as his task was completed.
Khadghar on the other hand has been aggressively neutral. Scolding both groups for fighting, ironically even a bit more aggressively to the Alliance. He has never participated in any of the conflict between the groups.
They are not the same.
Will they be a part of the story in the future? Very likely.
Will they have a significant part in the next big content patch? Pretty unlikely. I wouldnât even give them good odds to be involved in the next two.
Things sure seem different when the shoe is on the other foot. Totally makes sense that a hero of the Alliance that helped form the Alliance with a statue in Stormwind isnât an Alliance character. Totally. Totes.
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We were comparing everyone with Thrall in Cataclysm.
Jesus wept, youâre a liar that no one should take even a hint of seriously.
You hide all of your ineptitude behind paragraphs.
Youâre a better written Zerde.
Hey.
My benighted daughter,
Iâm the one that set the goalpost.
Yes.
No.
https://youtu.be/Urhp5EaLYMo?t=301
Jaina defeated everything he sent at her.
She couldnât leave. She isnât a Maw Walker.
So, he just kept her lost in Torghast.
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For anyone who canât go to the link, Jainaâs quoted text â which Meringue very much did not want you to ever see â was the following:
âHow many times must I defeat you?!â
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She was more referencing the maw army the jailer kept sending after her, that she repeatedly defeated. She never actually soloed the jailer.
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She NEVER defeated the Jailer. Everything he sent does not mean the jailer was defeated by her
Everything he sent doesnât mean what you think it means
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Yes. His army
What I said three times now.
Glad you understand. Good talk
You didnât comprehend it the first four times you read it.
Iâm glad you got it the fifth.
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You understood the point.
Grats I guess. Want a cookie or headpat?
But you didnât, given youâre trying to act like you taught me what Iâd already posted four hours before you showed up.
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