I am sure some did refer to them derisively. And I am sure there were insulting name used. But there is no evidence they used the word Christian to do it. It is just one of those ‘facts’ that sounds plausible enough that it is easy to believe. And it sounds just intriguing enough that people will repeat it. We are all guilty of accepting stories like this now and then. It is just an easy trap to fall into and not check.
Possibly. Or any other number of similar stories of derogatory words being reclaimed as points of pride. There are a lot of those kind of stories. Some of the stories are true. Some are not.
Well, there are several differences.
The first is there has never been another faction character that became an expac main character to the degree. He dominated most story arcs in the expac.
They were already cutting and pasting Horde questing for the Alliance because they didn’t write nearly as many stories for the Alliance. Not to mention just straight cutting Alliance content for time. To not pay even lip service to pretending he was neutral would have been adding insult to injury.
And, while he technically left the Horde (lip service), they made it VERY clear where his loyalty actually laid.
Cata was just bad all the way around. IMO, it is arguably the worst expac in WoW history. Even worse than Shadowlands.
This is among the reasons Thrall gets on my nerves. Blizzard seems to think:
“Oh man, we have all these stories we want to tell about the Alliance. But the haters are going to cry “Alliance bias”…. Let’s stick Thrall anywhere…. EVERYWHERE…. and that solves that problem! Bwahahaha!”
That poster for the War Within says so much…. It’s like Alliance Time! (with their good friend, Thrall)
I have never been a Thrall fan. He just isn’t interesting to me. WC 3 had so many cool characters, he didn’t register. Maybe because I was more into the Elves than Orcs even back then.
The way Thrall picked Garrosh to replace him showed that he viewed the Orcs and the Horde in the worst light. He played into its capitulation to the Alliance. He wanted to avoid a war between the Orcs and the rest of the Horde, if he chose a non Orc like Cairne or Voljin, and it happened anyway, except he gave control to the most of evil of Orcs, so the Horde was worse off.
And his dilly dallying during the Maw intro was unforgivable - especially since they didn’t include a Maw skip for a long time.
“Who cares what weapon you like, Slaveboy, you are just going to hurl it a huge broad, anyway. Might as well be a rock.”
But that aside….
Blizzard forced everyone to be at his wedding, even. So, the Alliance fans always have that to point to.
Name me one faction character that became the hero of an expansion that had the expansion more about them.
The next closest to running the expansion is Bolvar as the Lich King directing SL. And 1) he was considerably less dominant than Cata Thrall in both questing and story focus and 2) he became completely neutral. And he was not Thrall neutral. Thrall was nominally neutral, but never really stopped favoring the Horde, and after Cata was fully back Horde. Bolvar is completely neutral and has stayed that way.
It is interesting, that comment makes it so you appear to think Blizzard believes Horde players are less mature and have to be coddled more than Alliance. The idea Blizzard built the MOST imbalanced expansions in history to be Horde favored to avoid hurting Horde players feelings. ‘Oh, we can’t upset the Horde players with Alliance stories, better make multiple expacs dominated by Horde stories. The Alliance players will be fine.’
In truth, it was more that Blizzard story telling has always been very serialized. Look at how they did the WC RTS. You play one race story all the way through. Then the next race starts where that one left off. Rinse, repeat. But with an MMO it is harder to tell stories that way.
What happened is they wrote the Horde story, even building much of the Horde questing first. Then when they went to do the Alliance they had to try and build their story around the already written Horde story. That is why the Horde wins basically every fight. It wasn’t them just wanting the Horde to win, despite them always having a bit of Horde always having to be the ‘bada… kick butt’ faction. It was done first and most questing typically has the protagonist (PC) win. So, most of the quest had the Horde win. Meaning when they wrote the Alliance questing it was already established that the Horde won.
Then time became an issue. Horde questing was already done, or mostly done. So when they had to cut content it was mostly Alliance content. To fix that they cut and pasted Horde quests for the Alliance (even famously forgetting to fix quest text on one zone until a patch later) or old Vanilla quests just to fill space.
That is why Alliance questing is so disjointed for Cata. It is part Horde questing with new text, part old and obsolete quests, and part them struggling to build an Alliance narrative around the already established Horde one.
They had the Alliance go to Thrall’s wedding because they didn’t know what to do with the Alliance character and didn’t have time to build a story. So, they just slapped a ‘coat of paint’ over it and figured the Alliance would like it because ‘Thrall is cool.’
You’ve moving the goalpost.
Nevermind that Cataclysm wasn’t about Thrall to begin with. Garrosh and Varian both had more air time in Cataclysm than Thrall, lmao.
No I am not. Here, let me quote what I said:
First Post: The first is there has never been another faction character that became an expac main character to the degree.
Second Post: Name me one faction character that became the hero of an expansion that had the expansion more about them.
That is the same thing.
Did you even play it? He was the world shaman, we spent time saving and then helping him because he was the only one that could do it, and even the aspects deferred to him.
Hardly became the only time from that moment onward either
When concerned players (Especially Horde players) had noted they didn’t want their faction to be re-vilified and not have yet again another ultimately disposed or vilified warchief like Garrosh, Blizzard had responded with the following statements:
“BFA will be MoRaLLy GrEy!”
“Sylvanas won’t be a Garrosh 2.0 …”
I mean yikes, what a massive croc of sh — Ahem … Well um, you get the picture. lol
My trust in Blizzard towards “Faction Fairness” is rather low quite frankly, which appears to be well-evaluated from what we’ve seen thus fair in this expansion with faction character relevances & significances.
I’m generally not one of the partisans in the Horde/Alliance favoritism disputes that have plagued the game over the years—what I lovingly refer to as two people sitting at a table complaining that the other has more diarrhea in their bowl than they have in their own bowl.
Everything after BFA has been pretty awful to weather as a Horde main, though. I don’t care if Alliance characters get some spotlight, but TWW has been so laughably one sided. Horde’s roster is gutted and the replacements are not being developed. Our entire faction’s identity has been watered down into basically nothing. I don’t think it is much of an ask that we get back a version of Thrall that isn’t an irrelevant mopey afterthought. Watching Anduin speedrun Thrall’s character-arc-in-limbo in a single expansion is bordering on insulting, honestly.
For many, it seems they would rather like if the Horde characters could actually have some justifiable rage (seen from both sides) and be in the critical limelight more often, without being regarded as the villains or in the morally wrong position – simply for being such
Something that I found borderline insulting:
… was that for YEARS the grand majority of the lore content surrounding ‘The Light’ has been predominantly held and hogged by the Alliance(characters, significant story arcs & faced ordeals on a cosmic scale) and Alliance races, heck even now in the current expansion as we can see — Yet whenever this was called out, the prime selling point that people would iterate to justify it was:
"Yes but when void content comes along, it’s obviously & naturally be the Horde! "
Yet as we can see, from the existence of both Alleria Windrunner AND the Alliance’s Void Elves — that statement is clearly & blatantly false.
Personally speaking, I’d much hope that whoever eventually “takes out” Xal’atath so-to-speak (or is focal in taking her down in whatever boss fight / cinematic) — is actually NOT Alleria or any void elf
First off, she never matched the story time Thrall got in Cata in any expac.
Second off, how is she even part of the conversation considering context of your original post (that I was responding to) where you claimed:
Because she was never a main character. Virtually all her screen time was Alliance side only, she was not an expansion character. She was an Alliance character. Horde didn’t spend time save, empowering and following her. Thrall was an expansion character.
Well, let’s look at the other side.
Blizzard to Alliance players:
Towards the end of Cata: Don’t worry you will get your fist pump moment. Later said that was getting Dalaran, which we were scolded for in the quest. Leading to…
‘You will get to have Dalaran as an Alliance city.’ Next time Dalaran is seen it is neutral and Alliance PC is told it is bad to not welcome the Horde.
End of MoP when Horde was given an entire patch, Blizzard said 'We aren’t balancing this, we will just make sure it is balanced in the future. Followed by BfA objectively, and significantly, more content and resources for Horde story.
And we can go on and on. Yes, Blizzard has handled some things with the Horde poorly. Yes, there have been fails. The problem is when you try to pretend it is only Horde that dealt with that. As that is objectively not the case.
THE FIRST PATCH.
Blizzard has already stated they are going to balance out the patch, something they have not promised with past imbalances. Datamined content already points to Horde story arcs. To pretend that you can call this expansion already is just wrong.
I get that, I really do. Having gone through it on the Alliance side. The whole, ‘I guess I am just along for the ride for another Horde series’ feels bad. So, I know the flip side will as well. I am not unsympathetic.
But, keep in mind that of what we know:
We know Undermine is coming, which is going to be a major Horde story arc.
We know Silvermoon and Blood Elves are going to feature heavily in the saga, including a complete revamp of the zones. Again, lots of Horde story.
Which is honestly more story than we know is coming for the Alliance. I am hoping that it all balances out. But considering we know more of more Horde story coming than we know of Alliance story coming I think it is really early to call this based on the first patch.
And that is before we even touch on the Haronir. Which I would just about lay money on their intro as being Horde (Troll) dominated. Basing that on their aesthetics (model, armor, camp) matching the Trolls similarly to how the Earthen matched Dwarves.
Honestly, I think the odds are VERY HIGH the next major content patch is going to be Alliance PCs along for the Horde story ride. Even a good chance the next two major patches will be Horde.
You really think Jaina got more time in BfA than Thrall did in Cata?! And you call me dishonest.
In the first half of BfA Jaina played a notable role for the Alliance. But Horde didn’t quest with her. Horde didn’t save her. Horde didn’t help restore her power. Horde didn’t follow her into battle in multiple instances. Alliance did all of that with Thrall in Cata. And, on top of that she wasn’t the hero saving the day in the final raid against the final boss for either faction.
For you to pretend she got even close to the poster boy for BfA that Thrall was for Cata is just insane. Either you are just straight dishonest or so blinded by bias that you can’t even come close to objective reasoning.
Saying the Horde didn’t quest with her IS saying she is NOT an expansion character.
Horde did not quest with her = she is not an expansion character.
Also, if only one faction interacts with her by definition she is going to have less time than Thrall, who BOTH factions interacted with.
FYI for you. Showing evidence for why you are wrong is not moving the goal post. Despite you not liking it. And that is all you are doing. You have no ground to stand on and you know it. So you fall back to trying to gaslight.
Well um, you get the picture. lol
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