____ did nothing wrong

Never underestimate the ability of people to be shamelessly apologetic for their fave white blonde male character :man_shrugging:

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With Arthas, I don’t think he had much of a choice in regards to Strathome. They could have quarantined the city but the plauge would have spread and killed those who weren’t already infected. He chose to sacrifice that city to save the rest of the land, its harsh and cruel but did he really have any other choice without knowing or having a away to discover who wasn’t infected?

Daelin was right but at the wrong time. Some people say that this is a self fulfilling prophecy but that is incorrect as it wasn’t Daelin’s actions that caused the Horde to become what he knew they were, they did that all on their own. Daelin died long before any of this. He’d be a very interesting character had he lived to see the Blood War. The Kaldorei would have a strong bond with the Kul Tirans for one thing.

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(Observation): Every character in the history of the franchise has done at least one thing wrong. Name a character and I’m sure someone can point out what they did wrong and why they are the devil for it.

(Commentary): Also in the case of Daelin, just because he was ultimately proven right, does not mean he didn’t do anything wrong.

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Strathome is debatable whether it was needed or not, but the other stuff such as “Killing the men i hired to burn my own ships” and “unleashing frostmourne at the supposed cost of a dear friends life without a second thought” kinda proves he was crazy even before he became a death knight.

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(Observation): It was assumed, even by the player, that Muradin had died instantly. There were players who termed the revelation that he had survived in Wrath as a retcon. The inscription said nothing about the lives of witnesses being sacrificed. Arthas did not intentionally sacrifice Muradin to claim Frostmourne, and upon claiming Frostmourne, his soul was already torn from his body.

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Everything else he did isn’t even debatable. He went too far.

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Yet another reason I don’t like how the afterlives we’re seeing in Shadowlands are… not supportive of individuality. I’d like the opportunity to have a chat with a non-blue, non-skeletal, non-vampiric Daelin. The guy out-prophecized Velen and Medivh combined.

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(Query): Does a self-fulfilling prophecy really count though?

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Maiev did nothing wrong.

She tried to keep a psychotic traitor imprisoned, hunt down and secure said traitor, tried to free her people from an organization that doesn’t have their well being in the forefront and slowly strip them of their nations traditions and themes. She’s so single-minded in her tasks yet is willing to improvise makes her an admirable character. Also being a night elf doom-slayer helps.

Based.

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He was willing to damn the planet to death and soul consumption/eternal torment if it meant that he Got His. That absolutely shows he’s willing to hunt Sylvanas no matter the situation and kill anyone he needs to kill, including his own men, to do that.

There was literally no worse time for him to do it.
Actions speak louder than words.

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Kaileena already covered why it was not a self-fulfilling prophecy. Daelin’s actions had no bearing on the Horde falling back into their inherent nature. I mean, one of the victims of their atrocities was the very daughter that sided with them against Daelin.

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Well, as long as we ignore Wolfheart happened, as Blizzard strongly tries to.

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To be fair, they don’t ignore it, seeing as Jarod and her hint at it when they reunite in Legion. It’s just that They gloss over it and give her a freebie on it.

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(Observation): Daelin clear cut the Orc’s only source of lumber. This in turn forced them to turn to Ashenvale. With that, conflict between the Horde and Alliance arose much sooner and perhaps less organically than it might’ve otherwise, leading to renewed aggression before there had been enough time for either side to grow diplomatic ties.

(Speculative): Had Daelin not done the above, by the time the Orcs ran out of their own source of lumber they very well could’ve entered trade agreements with the Night Elves for a new source. This would’ve encouraged cooperation, mutual respect, and opened new avenues of diplomacy for the Orcs. It’s possible by the time Garrosh came to Azeroth he wouldn’t have seen a Horde languishing from a resource crisis while the Alliance lives fat and happy in lush forests refusing to trade, but he might’ve seen the two factions engaged in healthy trade and realized that the Horde was made great by the timeless wisdom and sage council such as that provided by the Elders and Shamans of the Clans. This could’ve drastically changed his outlook on the Alliance for the positive.

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To note, the Horde also cut down the trees, as Thrall’s advisor in Cycle of Hatred allied with the Burning Blade to destroy the forests to frame the Alliance to try to promote war between the Horde and the Alliance.

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Did you play BL3?
It explains why he locked up his daughter. And how he started becoming who he became.

You lookin’ for another spine snapping there, Traitor?

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At the time, perhaps it was the Horde’s only source of lumber. By the time Garrosh had doubled down on aggression against the Night Elves, the Orcs had allies living in such places as Eversong Woods, Tirisfal Glades, and Silverpine Forest, as well as an explosion of forest growth in the predominantly Horde controlled Barrens, thanks to Naralex.

The Horde actually had such trade deals in place, even in spite of continued Warsong aggression, up until the Wrathgate.

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The Night Elves are fully capable of harvesting infinite lumber without harming trees. They’ve never once offered to trade or even sell the lumber.

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