that makes sense, sorry i thought the other guy was saying 20’s are high keys. anyone who wants their spec to be op is highkey sus, cause thats just gonna be a huge disappointment when the nerf hammer comes down. i want blizz to address the kit issues of dh too, cause sinfulbrand is degen
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I think myself, Beamzy and Atrayen have all stated, we’re not asking to be OP, thats not what our complaint is, our complaint has a lot to do with how we as a class are underperforming and how we are ignored, meanwhile every other class is getting the attention they need.
We shouldn’t have to be locked into a single build where were keeping up a DoT for 90% of our playtime, whether it be in raids, M+ or PVP… actually I dont think its viable at all in PVP but regardless.
Our class kit at its core, is stripped to what it used to be in Legion, we were AoE/Cleave, and god damn it it was fantastic, but they took all that away. Chaos Cleave is gone which would have been amazing still in this kit, our Mastery isnt worth anything short of it being on Poxstorm.
We’re not asking to be OP we’re simply asking for someone at Blizzard to uhhh, I dont know maybe play their own game. And see first hand what were talking about.
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Demon Hunter is in an extremely weak spot in M+. If we’re talking anything higher than 20, DH needs to have the same treatment that the other top tier meta classes have. DH can average about 17k in a dungeon while Warlocks, Hunters, WW, and even Rogues can average even higher between 20-25k and for Warlocks even higher.
All I ask from myself is that our AOE needs to be in tuned with the other classes. Blade Dance is extremely weak, our damage is RNG with Cycle of Hatred, and AOE is extremely inconsistent due to the only option to do high AOE damage in large packs is with Meta.
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how high of keys do you do?
this is just way to true. i feel like i hold my the team i’m playing with back doing 26+ keys. the 5% damage we give to warlock and hunter is irrelevant if we don’t do damage ourselves.
I just did a 25 gambit with a pretty sub par tank that pulled pack by pack the entire beach, my meta was largely irrelevant for the entirety of it because of pull size, even then when i did pop it, everything gets bursted through before sinful brand even runs a full tick course on the mobs.
It’s obsurd the amount we have been ignored almost this entire expansion, minor aura buffs don’t fix our class, and the real issues have been spoken about on the forums and discord since SL prepatch hit BFA servers with absolutely no acknowledgement from blizzard on the state of havoc.
I just want to enjoy the game on the spec that I like to play, and right now outside of mediocre single target damage propped up by a covenant dot, i feel like an utter setback for my team in AoE situations for keys. Doesn’t matter what build or spec or covenant you play, i’ve been through it all, havoc AoE just sucks. It’s worse than feral druid right now in AoE/Cleave…How is a cleave spec doing less cleave than a feral druid???
edit: oh i forgot to mention that if THE CACHE TRINKET doesn’t line up with meta…good luck doing any damage that pull lol…just goes to show the absurdity of the spec’s rng riddled toolkit and reliance on borrowed power, adding to that with a trinket of RNG not only on pull in raids, but RNG on if it lines up with meta for packs or not resulting in some pretty frustrating experiences.
Go ahead and check my raider io.
It doesn’t have to line up with meta, Cache is just good with Eye Beam since it automatically crits. But the fact that Havoc DH’s NEED cache to do damage is also absurd. A class should not be that heavily reliant on gear for AOE. It’s usually 10-20 percent of my damage overall.
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I was gonna say Cache doesn’t have to line up with Meta as long as its up and your able to Eye Beam, you can line it up with that. If it happens to be up with Meta, thats icing on the cake
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Idk if you have any more posts in this thread, but please stop acting like mythic raiding and high keys are casual. You must be in an echo chamber if you truely believe that:
- Mythic raiding is the standard
- 20 Keys are low
- Doing these things doesn’t make you above the average person who plays
Please don’t talk on things you clearly don’t know about. Speaking from someone who is more casual, I have yet to step foot into a 20 key, I have yet to step into mythic raiding outside of nathria, I have yet to get above 2k cr. If you are someone who does do these high end things, then great, but just because you do it doesn’t mean everyone else does.
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Buddy, the point of my post was to let the OP know that he’s just playing with terrible players so he thinks DH is fine because he performs well compared to them in easy content.
If he was actually doing hard content with better players he would quickly realize the gap in dps between a DH and every other class in the game.
Btw all 20s right now is almost blue colored IO, it’s extremely casual.
I know everything.
can’t get invites to 21 or better because every class does 30% more aoe damage as soon as there is more than 5 targets, they uncapped everyone’s aoe but ours. not to mention locks do stupid dam with a bres too. if you don’t have a bres and lust you don’t have an invite. I will apply 100 times in a day and get declined by all of them at 2958 rating
only exception would be guild groups which I can’t seem to get my guild to help me push yet I see they have done 22s and 23s without me at times on the mythic keys page
a slight bandaid would be fore every second over 25 on brand it does instant damage. tried other covs and they do laughable damage in all situations.
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i know your feeling, i waiting hours try to search one key and dint get invited, its sad i have 3360 i cant be acepted in 22-23 xd this week blizard buff all clases but havoc still ignored since last buffs i fell more rejection.
Why do I invite a class compared to the others that are more buffed?
I think they think that.
Maybe it’s your name?
You’re an automatic decline for a large portion of the gaming population given;
- You chose a name that even if it were using the proper spelling would cause many to question whether they want you in their group.
- You chose to continue with a name despite needing to replace a regular English character with a non-English character.
Other knocks against you:
- Your guild name, pretty minor but goofy guild name gets goofy guildies…
- Your server, while high population isn’t exactly known to produce players you’d want to play with by choice.
- You’re Horde (only an issue for Alliance led groups)
- You’re one of 10,000 Demon Hunters out there capable of filling that role. You’re one out of 100,000 possible players that could fill that role if we take any DPS.
99% are horde, people look at your class and io they don’t even notice a name unless you are already invited, guild name is no longer an issue, had people whisper me and say dh dps too low and “do you atleast have xymox trinket” because the heroic version of it is a little better than 272s of the best m+ trinkets for hectic add cleave, killed that boss likely 6 or so times and it never dropped i guess ill have to farm it but i was bis in every other slot
you also could likely say the same about many others that could fill the role but hunters and locks get picked at that level and they are holding off nerfing locks while everyone else suffers, you oftin see key - lock and you can whisper you have engi bres and they say but you don’t have lock damage. you tell people who need lust you have drums they auto decline and likely laugh since its half, used to be just slightly weaker
No reason to take anything but hunter lock or ww now. All of them extremely op
For the moment. Sometime after Dragonflight goes live, that will no doubt change.
Which is what annoys me somewhat. Especially with the advent of Mythic Plus (one of Legion’s few downsides), where a class considered “non meta” is rejected time and time again.
There will always be a meta. The biggest problem right now is the disparity between meta and non meta in terms of both utility, and damage to a larger degree.
When meta specs go unchecked doubling the dps of almosy every other spec with no tuning to bring other specs up or bring the meta specs down a notch it gets out of control. Then in typical blizzard style they will destroy those meta specs instead of incrimental nerfs to bring them into line
To add to that, i bet that they’ll ruin Havoc and Vengeance with their new talent trees. I’ve seen the other 3 and they’ve got several key skills locked behind talent points. This doesn’t bode well for DH, or the other classes.
Thats probably a small issue for us, were already a few button class, they basically deleted Blade Dance from us this whole expac unless your running FB. We need talents that will synergize with the builds that we have. Like Momentum, or Eye Beam Demonic, I’d love to see a straight up Blade Dance build, I personally think Trail of Ruin should be baseline and baked into Blade Dance, but Im pretty sure its gonna be a talent point. Chaos Blades needs to come back as well as just our general use of Mastery, I think if Blizzard were to buff us right now, that would be the thing to buff. Buffing Mastery would increase our Eye Beam Damage, our Chaos Strike Damage, ToR if your specced into it, but the problem with Blade Dance, it should be Chaos Damage, not Physical. The same goes with Immolation Aura, I feel Im stretching that out though.
I agree that blade dance need to be an always use ability and not a situational one that required talents to use. Either first blood/trail or both baked into the ability so dh is doing more than just chaos striking.