What kind of attitude is this? If someone is sufficiently stubborn enough any criticism of their decisions is invalid and pointless because they won’t change their minds? Do you apply that logic to other situations?
Blizzard has spent the better part of the last decade running the game into the ground and they should be called out on it every step of the way. People like to make a mental exception for Survival but it’s part of the broader problem.
I think you misread what I wrote, I never said player criticism is invalid, if you don’t like something you should post about it. Whether or not blizz agrees with your post is another matter.
So yes if you are not happy with Blizz you should say something but you do that with the knowledge that Blizz may not agree with your view.
Blizz really doesnt decide on much, they basically just give the 1%, streamers, and fanbois what they want and call it a day.
Thats why they have done basically dismantled play with bombs. Its bc some fanboi with influence doesnt like bombs so they changed that side. But they really havent touched mongoose side, short of 1 or 2 nodes.
Besides, the tree STILL hasnt grown, they just keep reworking talents instead of providing new ones.
TBH the 1% and streamers have generally had negative things to say about SV.
I am sorry what? What have they done to “dismantle” the bomb build? Besides cluster the bomb build is identical. You will lack cluster and the tier-set. But with the just recently announced changes to Coordinated assault you will have windows where you’ll probably have even More bombs than currently, then have a period between where it’s more like before. But to say it’s dismantled is just straight up disingenuous.
Well yea, but it doesn’t mean the feedback is good.
Your assuming bomb play will be identical but it wont be. Cluster bombs made up the majority of dmg for surv.
Also, basing most of the dmg around CA is a nad idea. We saw what happened with other classes when they did this.
Just did some aoe and ST testing and nope, just wrong. The cluster always lands somewhere between 10-15% of my damage. While the actual bomb itself is around 10-13% of my damage, per type of bomb. So it’s more like 40% of my damage. Then we have some wildfire bomb dots coming in at third place with some 6-9% damage done per type, so another 25% or so. Then we have Serpent sting at some 6-8% at least depending on how hard I work to keep it up. The rest is just random few % from raptor, melee auto etc. This is my damage broken down by the way, not the pet.
So to say that “Cluster bombs made up the majority of dmg for surv.” is just factually wrong. It is a big hit on our damage for sure, but we can’t really evaluate that without alpha and/or the tuning passes. They don’t even allow DPS meters in alpha, so people have to sim to get some idea.
The Viper’s venom talent is a bit strange, I mean I get it, I understand its purpose but it seems like blizz is jumping through multiple hoops because SS is no longer baseline for SV.
What I would like to see is SS baseline for SV and then assuming we want Viper’s venom to be some sort of poison or venom talent (keeping with the whole theme of SV) you can either have an effect that passively improves the now baseline SS or make it a chance to inflict a second dot lets call it “Cobra’s Venom” (idk names are hard) and have Cobra’s Venom do X which last for Y amt of seconds (blizz can balance then come up with whatever X is maybe something as simple as a second dot or a dot that increase damage over time for all bleeds and poisons etc… , idk I am sure the class designers at blizz can come up with something).
Also Coordinated Kill is after spearhead, would it not make more sense to have a talent that improves spearhead or better yet why is a talent that makes Coordinated assault better under the spearhead line?
The enjoyment of the bpmb build WAS cluster bombs. Thats on a dummy, however, i remember running m+ where cluster bomb was doing substantial amount of dmg.
Perhaps we are just playing the spec differently or the situation is different, or even the numbers of mobs being pulled is different.
Either way, i would love to see it return. Its just fun to see it happen. Its NOT like our tree is the smallest one BY FAR and make it so you anti-bomb people arent forced to take it. Its not like you dont have 3/4 of the tree to choose from already.
Besides, bombs dont even get a capatone talent at the end of the tree. We get infusion, then forced to take fury. Heck, the really crappy bomb/KS talent by SH (might have been changed last night, forgive me if im wrong) is even lower then infusion.
The way the tree is setting up, if we decide to go bombs we will be forced into CA in the center of the tree. So without a capstone for bombs, then pitched into CA and if you have a point, fury, the illusion of choice is pretty shallow atm.
Cluster changed nothing about the SV rotation.
Not really. Initial bomb blast FEELS far more impactful and fun than the small bombs falling on the ground. (Or is big dmg = fun according to you?)
I think blizz needs to find a better way to manage SS. Its so clunky.
Why does Viper’s venom only have a CHANCE?
Why is it a requirement for infusion?
Why is intense focus a thing? Why not bake it in?
Heres my suggestion:
This would not only help with the SS issue but also spread out some of the pet talents that are grouped up on the left side, AND it helps bomb play.
To you.
Ppl feel differently.
My data was not collected on target dummies? Why would they?
I collected the data from two timed, decent m+ 16 dungeon runs. So plenty of both AoE packs and ST. I don’t like the bomb builds or the bombs as abilities at all so I will refrain from talking about it. But numbers wise you said they are the majority of our damage, I just thought it sounded wrong and decided to check it out. And turns out it is.
Ah, i see.
So whatever it takes to kill the bomb build bc you dont like it. Got it.
No reason to further the discussion.
You do realize the majority of Surv players like wfb right?
I was hoping for more cool stuff too.
I agree that doesnt make sense. They seem determined for WFI to be bottom 3rd of the tree, but as a sidenote, not a main feature.
Are you real? I specifically had opinions around the DPS breakdown that you lied about/hyperboled to the skies and then go on to NOT discuss the other part of the post (wildfire bombs) since I don’t like it and therefor don’t feel I can bring anything to that discussion.
This somehow gets broken down to ignoring my whole point about the DPS breakdown and completely reading whatever you like into my refrain from commenting on something.
No, I don’t like WFB and hence, I would not discuss it deeper. Since that discussion would just be me spouting my own belief for no good. See how that works? Having an opinion and not having to force it down everyone’ throat? Good that did me.
@Mikesavage
Are you like Ingvaeonic further up, just pulling numbers/statistics from nowhere to further your point? Because I know people that play hunter and most I know and talk to don’t like them but that is not enough to state that “the majority of the survival players dislike bombs”… I don’t make those statements because I don’t have the facts.
I doubt you do either, so perhaps let’s refrain from talking for the rest of the community? It is perfectly fine for you to say that you like the bombs. Because without any serious data that is literally all you can back up.
Do really wanna know how I know surv players like WFB? Its the 2nd talent we can put pnts into the tree and every interaction with other surv in game has been how they like bomb chucking. Blizz has better stats on preference than either you or I could ever have. Logic it out man.
“logic it out” - classic 
So just because people pick it in live (like… we have a choice?) means that majority of people love it?
I don’t want to be rude but there is an apt saying I’d like to quote “don’t argue with stupid people. Because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience”. But yes, I will absolutely take your word for whatever you say. I guess you win. Well done sir.