DF abandons WoW’s solo playerbase... but why?

So because he does it, you decided you’re allowed to do it too since one of them is stepping out of line of your narrative ?

Hypocr…

I called myself a “Casual Scrub” because it’s true. I at least have the spine & the integrity to tell the truth about myself. FWIW, I’m an outstanding D&D & PF2 player & DM. The reason I’ve not played much WoW over the last couple months is because I’ve been busy with TTRPGs, which are far more important to me.

I don’t “talk down” on solo players. I only “talk down” on all the whiners who claim they need better gear to solo. Because despite all the yabbo wank about “harder solo content” what it REALLY comes down to is “OMG I want better gear cuz reasons!”

Piffle.

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Where have I said that?

No I don’t care if people play solo. If you enjoy that knock yourselves out. I have an issue with solo players demanding heroic and mythic raid gear for trivial content.

Again I don’t care if people like torghast. If you like it cool. The majority of people did not.

If you don’t want to do the content that awards the gear that you want then no you don’t deserve it. No one deserves anything.

And no dev time shouldn’t be wasted on content that won’t be played by the people asking for it.

I’m not going anywhere. Devs don’t actually read these forums.

I haven’t even attacked anyone. Yet here you are literally attacking someone with a different opinion than yours. You’re a hypocrite.

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You can have a scaling difficulty with decent rewards like the rest group content. I don’t see why not. You can have content give decent rewards. I am advocating for ilvl progression. That means scaling difficulty. Torgast had a good scaling diffiuclty but felt flat on the rewards. You also had to get gear from other game modes to do it. And it did feel better with mythic keystone gear. It would have been better if you could just farm the gear in there and progress.

You seem to have a different mentality. I feel like DF is too group orientated right now. You can solo old world content fine that’s nice but it doesn’t mean we can’t have some fun solo game modes come out. Like the new dungeon which is soloable. If they added the invasions tokens there and put some rares in that dungeon to kill it would be a better more fun experience for example. Instead of waiting for rares to spawn for ever on an alternating schedule that you need to wait certain amount of time to find out if a certain rare is up or not.

Invasions aren’t fun. If we got cobalt assemply like buffs in those invasion zones it would be better to do for example.

Some people want mage tower stuff, personally I just want some solo dungeons to do. Torgast was basically 6 solo dungeons in a different format, with like 3-4 different modes. The reward structure was bad. If raids gave no gear for example many people wouldn’t do them, acting like we can’t just add some gear to some solo content isn’t a bad idea.

Again: if you want challenging solo play, EQ2 has it. Go there. Many of the dungeons have solo versions. They’re a lot of fun, & if you don’t know what you’re doing, they will kill you mercilessly. But I don’t think they’d be attractive here in WoW, because the rewards are the equivalent of WoW blues. Which is the very best you should be getting from solo content.

As for DF? I’m soloing DF. I’m not having problems soloing DF. I’ve said this repeatedly. I have no idea at all why people are claiming it’s “Too group oriented.” As a casual soloing scrub, DF is a delight for me – it’s gorgeous, the quests have been fun - but heck, I just love riding about & seeing the sights – & the gameplay has been perfectly challenging enough for an old person like me, with diminished reflexes & reaction time, who wants to enjoy a MMO but feels like a liability in groups, so I don’t join groups.

& again, Mr iLevel 392 with large amounts of group content played, IMO you have no dog in this hunt. At best, you’re “white knighting.”

Please read what that poster wrote.

This sort of sounds like a bad faith actor but he/she may feel that way and its valid. It just doesn’t sound good faith. I will remain skeptical though.

Honestly I have seen you post in various threads and you do come off as very condescending. Whether you intend to do that or not consciously is another matter.

Asking for them to put some gear that scaled up to like heroic raids like Heroic Visions doesn’t sound bad to me. It could be tied to the vault for all I care and you know I have suggested that in the past so raiders wouldn’t feel obligated to do it. Either way you shut down the ideas and are very passive aggressive with your comments.

They take a while to develop stuff and changes, from what I seen in Dragonflight they are changing. But these things take months/years to develop so anything that happens would take a while to implement.

I simply skeptical the way they phrased there language and opinion. Especially with the anonymity of the forums and trolls in the forums. I am not a mind reader but I did voice my skepticism. If they are arguing in good faith then its’ good. If not then its bad.

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you must have last played a RPG in 2000

If you haven’t yet Armory’d my main – Fleafly – then you need to go do so.

If you’re not going to Armory my main, then kindly stuff your bad inferences about me back up your tail pipe. I’ve had it with your implied accusations of lying & bad faith, & I will kindly ask you to refrain from whining about the words I use to describe myself.

MTIA.

I don’t consider the Dark Souls actual RPG. They’re just 3rd person action games.

Last AAA RPG I played was Cyberpunk 2077. You don’t “single protagonist” it. You literally have a team to manage to infiltrate Mikoshi.

The only good gear I can get is from content >.> doesn’t mean I enjoy doing it or depending on others. It’s just the way it is. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t prefer playing by myself If I could. Acting like players are npcs helps, but then again dealing with negative interactions lead to me using the report feature. Anyways group content gear still remains to be BIS solo gear so I always have a reason to do it.

Which helps with solo farms that I am interested in doing.

Please tell me where you control the side characters of the story or level up their stats.

Y’know, speaking of “negative reactions” …

You’ve repeatedly accused me of lying, or at least of arguing in bad faith. Take your own advice.

I am explaining my rationale. Sorry if you got offended of my skepticism. You can feel that way. I just remain skeptical with all the posts I’ve had in the pasts with these sorts of threads.

I don’t necessarily care about the high skill part. That is something some players want. More Mage tower stuff. But that is more of a high tier audience sort of thing. Scaling difficulty is more broad and better for a good portion of solo players. As they can progress and do more difficult content as they get better gear, and get to know there class more. Not all classes are equal in there soloing potential, plenty of specs have an easier time such as in torgast. I had fun playing 13+ specs there soloing the place. There is a bell curve of different players and there skill so scaling difficulty would make sense since it is already in raids and mythic plus for example.

I did not enjoy having to pug mythic plus to have decent gear last expansion.

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Gosh. Thanks for giving me permission to be offended by your gassy nonsense.

Good day. I’ve had it with you, Mr Passive Aggressive White Knight.

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How am I responsible for words that someone else said about themselves?

Not everyone is a fragile person and gets offended by calling them self a scrub.

I’m a blunt person. When people make stupid suggestions I disagree with I will let them know.

I only get extremely blunt when people are disrespectful to me.

No. This is a waste of time and no people who refuse to do content in the game should not be rewarded.

I shut down bad ideas that reward people for restricting themselves.

If you want heroic level pve gear go do the content that rewards it.

They aren’t going to change the games fundamental design which is the point you and every other solo player can’t seem to understand.

Even if that were true telling them they have low self esteem was not needed. You could have posted that skepticism instead of flat out insulting people you disagree with while trying to berate me for the same thing.

WoW is an MMO, which means it is designed for players to play online with other players. That means that it is heavy on group content and designed to bring players together to accomplish a goal. They have added a lot of activities for people that prefer to play MMOs as solo players, which is fine if that’s what folks want to do. However, during vanilla (which is when I started playing wow), majority of endgame content was for large groups (raids). Solo players often found themselves with little do other than level alts and level professions but most professions still required group content.

People still played solo while other enjoyed the group content. over the years, Blizzard has made more and more accommodations for the solo players but WoW is still an MMO designed for people that enjoy doing group content.

There is no way for Blizzard to make a game that appeals to everyone nor should they try because then the game loses its identity. Not everyone will be happy with the changes and that is fine as well. However, I do believe that Blizzard has found a good balanced between solo player content and group content.

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FWIW implying I have “low self esteem” isn’t an issue for me.

Implying that I’m a liar, or even arguing in “bad faith,” is a BIG issue.

AFAIC Terranox is a jerk & I have nothing more to say to them.

I want to buy a lamborghini but i am not willing to put in the time and energy but i still deserve it

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I was pointing that out what was written, you went off and said something else.

Not everyone would say that about themselves unless they had low self-esteem/ bad self image. Self Deprecation is a symptom of low esteem. But as you said your reasoning my point to that as well.

You have been very disrespectful to many people and often degrade solo players in your post.

This comes off as condescending very much.

We have a right to voice our opinions/concerns/feedback. The devs say they are listening. You can feel that way, but we can add our input.

You may be right, maybe I shouldn’t have said that it was rude and BLUNT. Sorry for that. But that’s my thoughts. I was rude and I acknowledge that, but it’s hard to remain polite and skeptical and trying to convey my disconfidence. I should have phrased that better.

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a “solo players’s journey?” really?
zero posts on a lv 10 character from classic.

it would be more convincing on a main or semi main from DF who is at least lv 60, lv 70 or anywhere in between.

just sayin