I have more buttons on my Wrath classic warlock than my Dragonflight warlock?
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And to attract younger players they need to make the game simpler.
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To him, and most other people.
I’ve done this and got bored every time. The problem is that the open world aspect just feels dead and neglected. Its not challenging, rewarding, or compelling anymore. Thats takes away from the fun and sense of adventure, and sense of community.
The real game is parking in valdrakken, and waiting in queues and lobbies until your m+ group is ready, or its time for your raid.
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I must admit since I started playing my Rogue again for the Undead heritage armor I couldn’t believe the Assassination Rogue rotation. Guess that’s why they are B-Tier in raids?
“Button bloat” is the current Topic of The WeekTM of the forums for some reason
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It’s almost like the lost of 12 million players over the past 10 years is due to all those players being individuals and having their own reasons for leaving and not just one thing like “bUtToN bLoAt”
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WoW will never get back those crazy player numbers.
It just happened to be released during the sweet spot of gaming and it appealed to a large female audience as well. Before that we were playing Quake, Unreal and Battlefield 1942 at LANs. On the other side you had the Ultima, Everquest, Runescape etc players. WoW made things simple and brought lots of players together.
Back then it was a simpler time and we’ll never have that again.
I think it’s way more nuanced than button bloat, which isn’t really an issue. Super casual players can get by not even knowing their rotation.
Once you start to raid or get deeper into PvP, you’re likely hot keying everything, maybe buying an MMO mouse etc.
I’m an altaholic and have every spec set up with key and mousebinds – they all feel pretty good tbh.
I think Blizzard didn’t keep up with social media, among other things. The chat and communications tools are very dated. The communities function is poorly implemented.
There are many things I’d love to see in WoW, from a social connectivity perspective plus community, gameplay etc. but I don’t think this is thread to go on a huge rant in 
Yes, and defensives aren’t a part of that priority list, they’re situational.
They absolutely should not be using an interrupt or dragonbreath on rotation and instead should be holding those for when interrupts are needed, so they don’t interrupt a spell no one cares about . . . only for counterspell to be on cooldown for a tank buster.
CC and defensives are situational, not rotational. I don’t use those on regular intervals, I use them when I need them to survive a mechanic.
I’m on my paladin right now.
Blessing of Freedom is not in my rotation, I only use it when I’m snared or need the 30% run speed.
Divine Steed is not in my rotation, I only need it when I need to move from A to B in a hurry
Divine Shield/Protection/Blessing of Protection is not a part of my rotation, I only need it when I need damage mitigation or immunity to survive a mechanic.
Blinding Light is not a part of my rotation, I only need it when I need to stop a group of mobs from casting.
These are all situational keybinds. When i’m doing DPS all I actually use is
Judgement
Templar’s Verdict
Wake of Ashes
Templare Strike
Blade of Justice
Hammer of Wrath
Divine Storm
Divine Toll
Final Reckoning
Avenging Wrath
That’s ten core abilities. A far cry from 20
Buttons make streamers brain hurt.
Aww c’mon, I have to work to get content out now! And they rant.
And we get those seeking echo chambers.
and their only recourse is classic classic. Wrath as some have pointed out has 5+ buttons too. And only on certain classes. Insert OG classic jokes about some mage builds, rolladins (roll face on keyboard paladins) here.
Only so many streams of dead mines you can do lol. And killing some raid bosses like onyxia with pc’s naked ahs been done too lol. anything after is copy catting really.
Correlation does not imply causation. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Thats blatantly wrong. You don’t need attunements in retail and in retail and you have to do is click the join button to raid in lfr.
Nothing says “accessible” like dragging yet another guildy through the Black Temple attunement . . . only for him to be poached by another guild.
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Brewmaster. I have the 20-25 most important skills as hover-macro on ~10 hotkeys. I guess this says it all? In the end you need only six hover macros, but the rest is situational and depends if you go more damage, tank or somewhere in the middle.
I bless my brother for being this good at playing Brewmaster and his macros.
I mean…aren’t like half those buttons you listed entirely optional/situational?
I think it has more to do with the fact that WoW was still fairly new and exciting back in 2009, it was only the second expansion past vanilla, and the game and its popularity was picking up steam.
18 years after release and it’s just not as shiny and new anymore. There’s not much they can add that we haven’t already done 1001 times before. Those that have stuck around have done so because they love the game, and/or are playing with friends and family. For new players it’s a confusing mess. I’ve been levelling allied races for the heritage armour and even I’m confused, despite having played since 2006.
The game is more accessible than ever, and has various types of content for almost everyone imaginable… but the game is still almost 2 decades old. There’s newer games out there that don’t require time sinks and grinding to get rewards, and there’s lots of games on mobile that appeal to people who have a short attention span. Times have changed, and WoW will eventually die down to a handful of realms, it may be free to play, it may be whittled down to a single player RPG, and it may eventually cease to exist at all. But the game didn’t die because of button bloat, that’s for sure.
me to play classic and never return here lol
Um.
I think you have confused WoW with FF14. Truly. There isn’t a spec that uses 20 relevant abilities in any given situation at any time. In fact, I can’t think of a spec that uses more than eight abilities in a given “rotation.”
It seems like in any raid or M+ I do, details seems to have most of my damage sourced from five or six abilities and maybe a passive or two.
Stop watching Asmongold videos and then posting here about it three months later imo.
Hi welcome to MMO’s. New players are in for a confusing mess in any mmo they engage in these days. Absolutely and most especially ones that have been around for more than a year or two.
The moment Microsoft takes possession of ATVI, that practice will stop. (Microsoft ended that practice in 2013.)