the arrogance of staghelm was not the creation of the world tree, but his demand to have it blessed by the dragons
but the kaldorei have like, dealt with that. they already paid for staghelm’s wickedness twice over, with the tree’s corruption, and then the invasion of Mount Hyjal (their holy land).
anyways they’re going to resettle it, this was said verbally by tyrande at the end of the bel’ameth quests, so i just don’t like or particularly understand the idea that it’s a monument to death and arrogance that should forever be abandoned.
the whole plot is about restoration and regrowth, redemption and renewal.
this entire thread is about seeing places you want to be made into cities!
Eh not really (but also yeah of course, I say as a lesbian IRL). She was a powerful and intelligent woman in an IP focused on male protags.
She did have a ln interesting arc but it was marred by male writing, and ultimately assassinated completely because of one guy in particularly.
I think if she is given the chance to appear for the writing team we have working on WoW now, (dragonflight onward) she can reclaim her place as a beloved character.
I feel like the WoD hate has become so dumb and revisionist to forget it had a genuinely great questing experience that was interlinked and tied together. Hate that xpac for garrisons and its lack of an end game, but its questing is still the best.
WoD was only bad for what it didn’t have. And I wish so much has not been cut. There were glaring holes that would have made things so much more rich if they had been filled and we were denied the inside of Shattrash.
Even garrisons were watered down from their initial advertisement (the garrison port was just … Dumb though because it was a mobile game, I don’t think if even had a 3D UI).
What we got was good, and enjoyable, but what we didn’t get hurt it overall.
I maintain my original stance of “I liked WoD I just wish we got more of it” because it would have been a lot better without the cuts.
Definitely this. WoD got gutted so Legion could come out with all the bells and whistles on it. If WoD hadn’t lost so much content, and Garrisons had come out as advertised, it would have been one of the most universally beloved expansions of WoW, silly premise or not.
And, to be fair, the story of Warlords of Draenor was fun, the questing was great, and the theme of the gear and the drops was just the chef’s kiss to me, but the content they cut left the story truncated and bleeding in places, the loss of the Ogre Homeland content and the absolute lack of love paid to the Draenei because we needed Orcs being Badass every five minutes, and cutting big chunks out of Yrel and Orgrimm’s quest-lines and the missing Wrathion story-lines, hurt the overall story.
Here’s the thing, I don’t mind an expansion that lasts three or even four years, so long as its polished, and comes with everything advertised on the box. But Warlords was a prime example of the rot at the top of Blizzard, with Team-Leads and Head-Devs and Department-Heads riding the cash-cow that was World of Warcraft into the dust while pretending they were rock-stars.
That we got Legion in the state we did is a miracle. That Battle for Azeroth, the many complaints we got about the story-line that we can legitimately have, had the polish and the story that it did, is a tribute to how hard the rank-and-file at Blizzard were working. I may rant about expansions, but it’s rarely out of a place of contempt, but rather regret and frustration because you can see just how great they could have been before being maimed and crippled by corporate idiocy and shareholder appeasement.
I don’t often say this, but you are not me and you raise a good point.
Legion was such a good expansion that it almost justified WoD. And, had it not been for several grievous missteps (such as garrisons not being any fun at all), it probably would have been seen as Blizzard finally taking the time they needed to set up a really compelling conflict.
i mean fwiw fandral’s telos in growing more world trees was the restoration of the night elves’ immortality. even despite the fact that the entire world has now paid for the hubris of night elves a few times over, that doesn’t alter the history of the thing itself
I personally found it funny that Dragonflight made Baine a hypocrit since he goes from declaring that Zandalari and Blood Elves shouldn’t seek justice because Jaina is his friend.
Then he turns right around and has a massive grudge against Centaur he’s never met, who have never done anything to him and are actively fighting a high intensity war with the Centaur Clan who remind him of the Centaur who tormented him.
He had to face that hypocrisy head-on and came out the end better for it, both facing the trauma that watching the Centaur butcher his friends and the adults around them as a child, and the bias he had towards Centaur as a whole due to centuries (if not longer) of genocidal campaigns against the Tauren people by the Kalimdor Centaur.
I don’t mind hypocrite characters so long as the hypocrisy makes sense, and they’re willing to tackle it, either to deal with the reason for the hypocrisy or to handle their own nonsense. Characters that just sit there screaming about why they’re entitled to it and refusing to accept that it is hypocrisy makes me roll my eyes, I have enough of that sort to deal with in the real world.
I would be fine spending an expansion in World of Racetrack until we stockpile enough gasoline, azerite engine plugs and primal cogs to go 88 miles per hour and go back in time to the point we arrive just before the point where the timelines diverged.