10/29/2018 06:24 PMPosted by
Droité
This story sucked the second they had to back track at Blizzcon last year and make sure everyone knew that the Horde burned down Teldrassil and that they Alliance couldn't be the aggressors in the war.
I mean ... the Alliance's leader is "peace, peace for everyone" Anduin, and our leader is "the reason I'm not the Lich King is because I work for the Horde" Sylvanas. I'm not sure how you could have played out this scenario with the Alliance being the aggressors (without retconning Jaina's development or making Genn fundamentally betray Anduin ... again)?
Want to complain about something? Complain that she was made our Warchief in the first place. Anyone paying attention to her in Legion (when her first act as Warchief was to take ONLY her Forsaken and go off on a secret, personal chore in Stormheim ... guaranteeing she was still on her "avoid my afterlife at all costs" character arc) should have known we were in deep trouble.
I still will argue that line from Sylvanas is taken out of context often. In the context, it seems pretty likely that she was just being snarky, which is why Garrosh tells her to watch her clever mouth or something afterwards.
Also, I complain both about Sylvanas being thrust into being warchief, and them deciding to amp up her villainy after the fact. She didn't have to be warchief, but if they decided they wanted her to, they could have made a plot of her growing into a better person and leader for her people. Instead they decided to throw the horde in the toilet.
10/29/2018 11:43 PMPosted by
Verlius
I still will argue that line from Sylvanas is taken out of context often. In the context, it seems pretty likely that she was just being snarky, which is why Garrosh tells her to watch her clever mouth or something afterwards.
Also, I complain both about Sylvanas being thrust into being warchief, and them deciding to amp up her villainy after the fact. She didn't have to be warchief, but if they decided they wanted her to, they could have made a plot of her growing into a better person and leader for her people. Instead they decided to throw the horde in the toilet.
She's been on this crazy villain train ever since she got her new motivation in "
Edge of Night", or do you want to forget about her activities throughout ... like all of Cataclysm? Or War Crimes? Or Dark Mirror? People WANTED her to start becoming better person, but they neglect to give an actual motivation for her to do that ... other than "She should start caring about ALL the Horde (even though her relationship with even her own Forsaken is still left incredibly ambiguous), because we like the idea of her over who she actually is".
Bluntly speaking, yes ... they could have decided to make her a "better person" when they decided on her character arc post Arthas 9 years ago; but they didn't decide to go that way and she's remained one of the most consistently written characters since then. A terrible person, but consistent.
I don't buy the "inevitability" narrative for a second.
The Cataclysm turn was fundamentally necessary for the continuation of the the race. I don't want, and no Forsaken player that I know wants, to play a race of self-hating suicidal sadbois that have no future and no reason to exist. They had to develop an identity as a people.
Nothing about that turn necessitates Blizzard's obsession with using the Forsaken story as firewood to fuel the Alliance's moral superiority.
And no, she has not been "consistent." The Sylvanas you fight alongside in Silverpine and "BURN EVERYTHING! ALL WILL SERVE ME IN DEATH! HAHAHAHA" are not the same person.
10/30/2018 07:14 AMPosted by
Solythn
And no, she has not been "consistent." The Sylvanas you fight alongside in Silverpine and "BURN EVERYTHING! ALL WILL SERVE ME IN DEATH! HAHAHAHA" are not the same person.
Yes they are because during that ride cutscene in Silverpine she goes on and on about how the Forsaken will survive no matter what.
10/30/2018 07:14 AMPosted by
Solythn
And no, she has not been "consistent." The Sylvanas you fight alongside in Silverpine and "BURN EVERYTHING! ALL WILL SERVE ME IN DEATH! HAHAHAHA" are not the same person.
Yes they are because during that ride cutscene in Silverpine she goes on and on about how the Forsaken will survive no matter what.
Its almost as if Sylvie wasn't going to ride down a road surrounded by Forsaken, openly talking about how they were now "
Her Bulwark against the Infinite"; and how one of her primary reasons for expanding their numbers was to enhance said bulwark. Because, as much as she may value them (and she may even care for them) ... they are still a tool meant to protect her from returning to the afterlife.
She wasn't honest with them when they were her "
arrows in her quiver", she's unlikely going to refer to them as a Bulwark either. We don't get internal dialogue from Sylvie in game, and what she says vs what she's thinking can be two very different things it turns out.
10/30/2018 11:27 AMPosted by
Droité
We don't get internal dialogue from Sylvie in game, and what she says vs what she's thinking can be two very different things it turns out.
Like yelling "For the Horde!" at Lordaeron, when she really means "Keep fighting for me!"
10/30/2018 07:14 AMPosted by
Solythn
I don't buy the "inevitability" narrative for a second.
The Cataclysm turn was fundamentally necessary for the continuation of the the race. I don't want, and no Forsaken player that I know wants, to play a race of self-hating suicidal sadbois that have no future and no reason to exist. They had to develop an identity as a people.
Nothing about that turn necessitates Blizzard's obsession with using the Forsaken story as firewood to fuel the Alliance's moral superiority.
And no, she has not been "consistent." The Sylvanas you fight alongside in Silverpine and "BURN EVERYTHING! ALL WILL SERVE ME IN DEATH! HAHAHAHA" are not the same person.
They had other choices though. They could have gone the route of having the Forsaken explore other forms of undeath seen and employed by other cultures. Frankly, I'm suprised Sylvanas never looked into any of the other stuff that's frequently encountered (Draenei constructs and soulbinding, Mogu practices, pretty much anything trolls do, etc.) There was plenty of stuff out there - bliz just never tapped into it.