SR isn’t terrible for demo. It’s much like everything else. Ok.
It’s a strong st and aoe spell on its own and while it has virtually no interaction with the spec it does have Grove invigoration heavy application which is handy for tyrant cycles and boosting that burst even further.
So it’s ok and I want better, but it’s also not terrible. It’s mediocre, the byword for all of Demo since BfA.
Is it too much to ask people to not make outrageous and objectively wrong declarations about things they obviously don’t know anything about?
You can’t have a civil discourse with someone so removed from the current reality of the game.
It’d be like arguing with someone who came in and posted “the world is quite clearly flat” - there’s just no basis to have a reasonable argument with someone that removed from reality.
You’re posting on a level 50 mage, being rude, and talking about others being removed from the reality of the game. It’s okay to disagree, it’s not okay to attack folks.
Two things I think really needs to be done for Demonology.
Shadow Bolt should have a 1 second cast instead of a 2 second cast.
Make Health Funnel instant cast with 10 sec cool-down because, as it stands now, our Felguard, as Toghast has shown, is likely to die whilst we’re dodging dive-bombing angels! …and other things.
Also, I have to agree Doom sucks as it is. It’s a DoT that doesn’t fit with Demo. A better option would to make it so when the target reaches 20% or less you can summon a shadow of a Doomguard that fires Shadow Bolts that also gives the Warlock soulshards for, maybe, 12 sec. That would at least give an optional execute.
Isnt torghast the one place everyone can agree demo is good at. even a special needs at pve person like myself can solo a layer 8 in a half conscious trance. And i use doom doing it.
I’m not even sure Torghast is a great example. Yes, you can buff your pet. But if you or your pet goes down for any reason, you’re hosed. And there are some bosses that just aren’t beatable by a demo lock.
I played demo to 2.4 in BFA. Can confirm it’s awful rn and finding partners to play is a chore on its own. I just don’t want to make the switch to aff if I don’t have to but it’s really just starting to look that way
I thought demo was busted in Torghast and I creamed layer 7 of corridors, but I’ve failed layer 8 three times, for varying reasons (one of which was I got cocky once). The biggest problem is the stupid scaling pet thing. One time I got to floor 18 and my pet had 2.4 million hp, scaling every floor. The next time he only got up to 550k, and stopped scaling after floor like 8 or 9 or something. Another time I got the grappling hook floors and one time my pet literally just did not jump with me (maybe he was on a maw rat, i dunno) and just despawned. So just like that I lost the scaling buff and could not complete the floor because now he was getting 3 shot by caster mobs. I had another time where my pet just got casted down after doing a slightly big pull because his interrupt has a long cooldown, and yet another where he survived but I got killed by that wave of suffering ability because he cannot interrupt every one of them. And once I die, he despawns.
Not to mention the last time I got to floor 18 I got Gherus, and his AoE was dealing 110k damage to me. Soon as unending resolve wore off I got 1 shot and that was it, couldn’t keep trying with other cooldowns etc… because pet scaling buff was just… gone.
Only if you get Pact of Infernal Intimacy at the start and don’t get mort’rega or coldheart as a starting floor. That’s some specific RNG right there.
I think we should all post all over every part of the forums to draw attention even though they’ll get moved.
It’ll at least be annoying for a while
100% this… Wake up Blizz, your players are your best metric.
Warlock itself needs a complete rehaul. Affliction has been pretty much the only viable endgame spec since forever. Destruction has is moments here and there but it hasn’t been great since BC maybe WoLK. And Demo makes me sad.
Affliction is the closest thing to its original incarnation. A alot more buttons to push and manage at times but if you played affliction well in prior expansions you will be satisfied. Dungeons we have always been middle of the pack since things die alot faster to see effecting dot spread.
Destruction was or burst and AoE king and now we are pseudo bursty and cleave. Are AoE is meh since all gated behind shards. I really don’t like Havoc. If they made havoc like Arms sweeping strike or Outlaw blade furry it would be better.
Demo well since talent Trees went way The lost there identity. You had the ability to buff the demons effectively making them stand out from the other specs. Sure we can call a pack of wild imps, some other temp demons, however no love for our core pets. That being said Demo should have all core pets changed. So no imp, succubus, felhunter, or void walker. Different demons that can fit these rolls with upgraded abilities. Felguard I think personally should replace void walker and be made tankier, maybe lower dps a bit, and give us back permanent Doom Guards as or big bad demon. Or just give is the ability to dominate other demons Like hunters can tame and have demon families that fit certain rolls and some have specific abilities.
One of the few things I do like was removal of shards as a gathered resource. I hated having to farm shards for dungeons and raids.
Remember that small window in BFA when explosive potential was broken and it was like a constant lust, ahh yes that was about the only time it was viable. I love the theme of the spec, but its so un rewarding for the amount of work it takes. I would love to be able to raid and do mythic plus on my lock, but the lock raids and I have a alt hunter for M+ - I hate having to try hard every second of a run for sub optimal overall DPS.
Ion says in the video that people gravitated towards Demo locks instead of what they actually wanted to play because of the numbers it put up. Isn’t that the case for every expansion though? Normally there is the best spec in the class that people end up picking, even if they really don’t want too. This expansion so far Affliction is that spec. Maybe next patch Destro. I started in MoP and I fell in love with demo lock. I like it now, but I enjoyed it so much more before all of the changes. I miss you old friend.
Yeah, its literally the same scenario now except affliction. Forced to play it because of the numbers it has yet it plays like trash.
There would be far less of an outcry towards demonology if it was good…anywhere at all. It SUCKS in pvp. It SUCKS in raids. It SUCKS in m+. Its only decent in torghast and who cares about torghast.
IMO, Demonology should be the PvP spec. It has more utility than the other 2 specs such as being the only caster in the entire game with a Mortal Strike effect, or a ranged 30 second physical 4 stun from your pet that can be used while you yourself is CCed, and is in practice the most tanky lock spec with soul link (currently undertuned because of pet being too squishy and dying too fast)
Destruction IMO should be the best dungeon spec, it has the least amount of ramp up of all lock specs and has (in theory) the best 2 target cleave and M+ is where you can make the most out of havoc and if shadowburn was useful, baseline, and worked how it used to, a good setting to make use of its execute soulshard returns.
That being said, again I think its OK for one spec to be better in certain areas, as long as the other specs are not trailing that far behind and they have their place to shine elsewhere. Thats not the case right now with demo and destruction being as bad as they currently are they might as well be an entirely different class by how much affliction outshines them both.
None of their logic for changing it made any sense. They had good numbers like 2 patches, and they had an ability with the same name as Demon Hunters, even though it looked completely different and functioned entirely differently within the spec. All they had to do was rename Metamorphosis to Demonic Transformation and tune their numbers and they would have coexisted perfectly fine with DHs. Sucks getting your favorite spec ripped out from under you for no plausible reason. It used to be so unique, now it just feels exactly like affliction except your dots are clunky unreliable NPCs and you have to hard cast everything. Really lame. Definitely miss old Demo. It was the most fun I’ve ever had in WoW. Nothing has ever come close since.
#CriesInDemoLock
That’s exactly right. The amount of times I was asked in discord or whispered by my guildmates asking why I’m not going Affliction was getting so annoying that I just up and quit raiding. Made me feel like I was holding them back or something. I tried the spec and absolutely hate it yet I feel like I’m forced to play it to stay competitive. Not getting invited to Mythic+s constantly was the cherry on top.
Blizzard should do the same thing to Afflic that it did to Demo way back when. We’re literally in the same situation yet nothings being done.
BC waiting room here
I mean like… yeah that’s true for every expansion, learn to balance or don’t be a game designer