to be fair, WoD demo was an absolute monster. It had ZERO weaknesses, it was great at everything. Burst aoe, sustained aoe, cleave, ST, mobility, raw speed.
It was the closest perhaps any spec in the history of wow every got to godhood.
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Legion affliction says hello, who had all that plus the best self sustain in the entire games history by a DPS spec.
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as someone who played both
lol no, WoD demo was miles better than legion aff. aff was pretty much useless against priority adds, it was just a ST monster. it was also fairly immobile as it was suppose to spend nearly all of its time channeling drain soul. it is why they just tanked mechanics instead of actually moving.
Dude this is OT but demonology wasnt even the best spec at any point in WoD, it was just decent in highmaul, amazing in BRF but still below fire mage, and gutter trash in HFC.
Affliction from Nighthold (ESPECIALLY NIGHTHOLD) , ToS, and Antorus was heads and shoulders the absolute best spec in the entire game and was the best spec in the game for M+ where people could run blood DK and 3-4 Affliction warlocks because they could infinitely sustain themselves without a healer.
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actually, all 3 were pretty bad in highmaul. Demo became a monster in blackrock, then was nerfed into oblivion for hellfire (we perfer if you didnt play demo)
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Demo was solid upper middle for Highmaul but youre just enforcing my point that saying WoD demo was close to godhood is such a dishonest over exaggeration and pointless derailing of the topic about current demonology like wtf is your angle here?
the only dishonest person here is you, and now you are crying about thread derailment when it doesnt go your way, even though you make a gross overexageration about aff in legion (the very thing you accuse me of that is a derailment apparently).
listen, i would LOVE for WoD demo to come back, would drop aff in a heartbeat, so there is literally no reason whatsoever for me to be dishonest.
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Until it wasnāt.
It had one, you could not suck and be effective, you at least needed to be decent, so there was that.
TBCās SL / SL would like a word with you or āVanillaā Demo tank spec, but thatās more a PVP thing. MoP Destro was kinda hilarious too, but it did have weaknesses.
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Canāt really compare outside of combustionā¦ itās up every other pull in M+, 1 min CD, Iāve seen it as low as 36 seconds, especially running with Night Faeā¦Raiding, just Power Infuse them all the time they combust all the time.
Combustion with a lower CD then our Vilefiend is just ridiculousā¦
Give us Tyrant at 45 seconds to 1 min CD ābaselineā and watch us do great aswell, considering we have to equip Wilfreds to try get this, so we lose use of other legendaries while fire Mages have a wilfreds baked into its core spec and covenant and can equip their busted crit legendary that pushes them either higher.
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No, fire mages are overtuned and should be nerfed classes do NOT need to be brought up to their level.
Tyrant at 1.5 is fine as long as it becomes instant cast and GFG is reduced to match it finally.
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Iām just using them as a example, everything in the core spec and covenant just make them ridiculous, what Iām getting at you canāt compare us to fire Mages, Blizzards favourite child.
Better spec, better mechanics, better at everything, better covenant and better legendaries.
GFG for years should of been 1.5minā¦
Fire, Affliction, Balance, and Marks are overtuned. There are a few other potential outliers too. If these specs were reigned in with the recent slight buffs to the bottom performers, the game would actually be in a pretty decent place with damage. The problem is, I donāt believe this is the goal of Blizzardās team. I think their philosophical approach to designing WoW is to have outliers or specific specs that shine for a while. We could all debate that approach but from a developerās point of view and analysis, the pros perhaps outweigh the cons.
The cd on GFG being changed to 2 minutes as BFA launched is baffling but we have to work with what we have. All we can do is maximize the tools that Blizzard provides us with. On that note, providing feedback is good; however, I think itās also important to provide feedback in a respectful manner without coming across as whining and complaining. We have some good folks in the warlock community who pass a lot of the feedback along to WoWās team but that team is ultimately going to make the decisions.
Pepino, what legendary are you using? What ilvl are you? Do you find yourself struggling to keep up in dps in keys, raids, or both? What kind of keys are you running? Are you doing heroic or mythic raiding? If raiding, what do your parses look like? Have you looked at your logs to find gaps in your play or perhaps asked others to look at them? Taking the outliers out of the equation, Demonology isnāt bad. We do good damage and the spec has a very nice flow to it, especially with Wilfredās. The timing of cds doesnāt work as well without Wilfredās but again, we have to work with what we have.
As for the OP, Iāll go through each point below:
Covenants, it was between Nightfae and Necrolords for me. Soulshape sealed the deal for me. I love this covenant and it synergizes extremely well with Demonology. Grove Invigoration is great for Demonology and Iām looking forward to trying Dreamweaver in a few weeks with Field of Blossoms.
PVP, Fel Lord needs to be fixed, I agree with that. Talents are all being used in various situations, when factoring in both PvP an PvE. I agree with Nether Portal needing to be reworked though. As others have suggested, Nether Portal should be a demon for each soul shard spent. Pets just received a reduction in damage they receive in PvP and itās definitely helped. I donāt have any complaints about the damage pets do, how much of your damage are you wanting your felguard to do?
We do have a lot of ramp up; however, I think itās pretty good pay off. Blizzard just needs to reign in the outlier specs. I donāt think there are any needless cast times but Iād love to see Shadow Boltās cast time slightly reduced. What is degenerate about building an army up for a big Tyrant? Shadowfury was instant cast at one point, would be nice to have that back!
Rubbish. You are absolutely oblivious if you actually think that and arenāt just trolling.
Fire and balance are overtuned - they are overpowered and top in every form of content. MM less so, but at least itās amazing in PVP and M+.
Affliction is ONLY good in raids(and requires about 4x the effort of balance and fire to achieve that), and itās mostly trash in everything else. If it was tuned down, all that would happen is it would join destro and demo as bad in everything.
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this ^^
at this point iām sure blizzard does not care
Oh these forums, is it too much to ask for folks to engage in civil conversations? It amazes me how quickly folks attack individuals, rather than having a discussion about the different points of view. 
no brain you got, isee
In fairness some of his point are valid though
Aff isnāt overturned atm. Itās very good in a select environment and requires considerably more input to get that vaunted output. It needs design repair not nerfs but thatās not happening until next expansion earliest.
Mm is more debatable imo but Iād come down on the side of not technically overturned, just enjoying a good comfortable spot.
Cant speak for anyone else but im tired of being civil. Im tilted and pissed off of waiting for this company to do things semi competently
Nit picking but MM sucks in PvP as do all hunter specs but I understand your point.
The issue is warlock cov ability choices esp for demonology, is they are all garbage to the point of āit doesnt matter what you pickā territory. Impending cata, Soul Rot, and Scouring Tithe are all AWFUL abilities on their own. Decimating bolt would feel good if demonbolt wasnt so terrible to begin with.
When you give other classes things like convoke, shifting power, wild spirits, mindgames, condemn, the hunt, divine toll, abomination limb, weapons of order, etc etcā¦ The warlock abilities are TRASH in comparison.
My 158 ilvl alt venthyr demon hunterās Sinful Brand abilities hits twice as hard.
MY ALT WITH 50 ILVLS LESS THAN MY WARLOCK COV ABILITY ON AN EQUAL COOLDOWN WITH NO CAST TIME DOES 100% MORE DAMGE.
Impending catastrophe at 207 ilvl: 2.3k damage, cast time
Sinful Brand at 158 ilvl: 4.7k damage, instant.
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Differing opinions is fine but folks lose a lot of credibility when they attack the poster rather than the content. To be fair, if you mention balance and fire needing to be adjusted, those folks lose their minds too. I donāt think weāll see any adjustments at the top for any of those specs anyways.
I didnāt say it was a big fairness lol 
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