Do we’ve actually anything concrete on how Legion society operated? Imonar the Soulhunter would suggest they have some version of currency and contract work if he’s interested in the bounties on our heads.
I sorta assumed the Legion could just compell demons to kill things but apparently ya gotta sweaten the deal.
Likewise they clearly have military ranks and seemingly a racial caste system. But is that based on your species or is there social mobility? I can’t find anything that says demon souls couldn’t regenerate into bigger and badder forms.
Honestly for the settings most iconic villain I really can’t find much on how they operate. Lot of retcons and ideas that come up here only to be contradicted there.
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From the way I understand it (I could be wrong on this), there was some structure.
Partly cuz I can’t imagine there being anything but pure chaos if everything was enforced.
Things like felhounds? Probably, yeah, they were forced to do the lowest stuff, cuz they aren’t very smart.
Sayaad, Inquisitors, Nathrezim, they’re too smart to just bully into submission.
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It’s fairly ambiguous IIRC but there are some interesting little lore tidbits on demons who were actual races prior to their joining the Legion if you can be arsed to do Legion archeology. Obviously the more clever demons are chosen to be the architects of destruction where imps and the like are more used as peons or used just for their sheer overwhelming numbers.
I believe most races who were/are NOT demons originally can be further altered by Fel magic but I’m not sure if it’s been explicitly stated if it’s from regenerating or just plain being pumped with Fel juice like the orcs were. If we can go on that though, I’d wager that prolonged exposure is what actually warps them into sub-races though but I don’t think it’s ever been stated as being part of their ‘status’ within the Legion itself.
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The Legion hierarchy was Sargeras followed by Archimonde and Kil’jaeden, who didn’t outrank the other, with the other demons ranked under them. Furthermore from what I understand the likes of Mannoroth and Tichondrius were of equal rank.
From a Legion race stand point the Eredar tended to be in leadership roles as Sargeras felt that the other demons were too chaotic and the Eredar were able to provide that sense of order for his demonic armies.
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I really wish we get to learn about that someday. Especially when it comes to OG Demons. From what I understand, the OG Demons are but the races native to the Twisting Nether. Apparently they’re not naturally evil or mad, unlike the “artificial” Demons, meaning the races from the Great Dark Beyond that were corrupted by Fel. We’ve even seen Shivarra join our side against Illidan during the DH starting experience.
I’d love to learn more about how the Twisting Nether peoples function. What kind of society could arise in such an unstable and chaotic environment ?
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I had the idea of my Warlock binding demons with magical contracts. Because Chaotic evil being completely trounced by Lawful evil is funny to me.
Yeah you can mess someone up with a green flamethrower. But the means to absolutely destroy someone is often just fine print.
But I’ve no idea if that sort of thing would throw them.
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I’ve always loved this concept for Goblin Warlocks/Shamans as well, it’s so absurd but so fitting within the situation.
If you haven’t seen it yet, there’s also a really funny questline in Aszuna with an imp named Daglop who contracts you to be HIS minion and hilarity ensues. I think you’d enjoy it!
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“No, no you want to conjure imps for help with prose. Sayyads you conjure for editing. The devil’s in the details”
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Demonic society is itself an artificial construct of Sargeras, as demons dont do structure. Before him they randomly spilled out of the Nether to torch a planet now and again, but without much of a plan other than murder and mayhem.
I would expect that the Legion was structured in a manner akin to what we see in the Titanforged, with ranks of demon with specific duties in the greater machine.
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Funny that’s the same idea I did for my new warlock. Not evil at all just a literal lawyer specializing in contracts that outfoxed the demons.
On topic from what we’ve seen and heard it’s Sarg>KJ/Archi>Eredar (and maybe pit lords)>Shivarra/Succubus>rest.
Fel Guards are often powerful enemies but rarely seem to be in charge. Eredar are often in charge and Succubi and Shivarra seem to be quite often too.
I almost view it like the Covenant in Halo in how it’s structured. With Grunts being Imps and Felhounds.
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But did you find anything that says that they CAN.?
Hmm. So with him gone that could make sense.
I like that there’s a satanic star wars happening and they made us go wander around Zooval’s frowny boulder instead.
Have it be essentially a mob war. You could style the Eredar after Russian mafias. The Dreadlords could have the Sicilian omerta vibe. Toss out Yakuza and Cartel inspired looks to other big demons.
Each are pretty evil but are amenable to working with Azerothian heroes after seeing the big boss get whacked by them. So now we’ve to support one of the Demon Princes bid for power.
I refuse to take the setting more seriously than Blizz does. Besides this guy could just lie.
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Then you probably should not expect a serious answer.
All of this lore is intrinsically ridiculous and at risk of a sudden, dramatic retcon.
The Forsaken went from essentially anarchists to a police state in a book. This setting has the consistency of jello.
I’m merely asking if anyone has insights into their society I might’ve missed.
Kinda yea. I imagine the Legion is suffering the same issues the Scourge is now, just on a way bigger scale. The old Legion Lords have become petty warlords and seized control of parts of the Legion and are preoccupied duking it out with each other over who gets to fill the now vacant Burning Throne of Antorus.
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Why would we want to see a gang war between functionally infinite demonic armies in space?
What the people really wanted was to play angelic flappybird and be a customer service rep at Hotel Transylvania. In between sojourns around a gray blue rock fighting non descript blue orange not demons.
Blizz just can’t miss man. In BFA I was thinking they better not send me into these epic battles I’m delegating troops to. No I signed up for the Battle For Azeroth to help baby turtles and pick up hyena ish for the furry Robinhood from the old Disney movie. That’s what I wanted, indeed what we all did.
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Sarcasm? What are you talking about?
I played that Doom game and man. What an embarrassment. Having a coterie of instantly visually distinct demons who’s very appearance helped world build. What a buncha dummies. I’m so glad Blizz moved away from that inept design policy.
Remember how they had visually distinct types in the Legion? Like those cyborg demons with a buzz saw hand and the weird minions that followed them everywhere? WTF was that? What are they trying to create some foe who only becomes more terrifying as we learn the sheer extent of their galactic war machine?
Pfft. Who wants that? No what we need is nothing but interchangeable suits of armor with frowny faces. It’s not a proper enemy type until only after a year you can’t even remember who the big bads were supposed to be.
I’ve zero damn idea what separated Terry Groo from the other lumbering metallic monstrosities that meandered aimlessly through the Maw. And that’s called good game design. Intrigue and subtlety are for cowards.
In otherwords the Demon Converts are forced to be violent by the Nathrezim(for who else would have Orbs filled with Wrath I.E. one of the Sins harvested by Revendreth).
The fact that Nathrezim are filling everyone in the Legion with Wrath is a problem indeed.
They also inflicted Doubt(Doubt Elementals are seen all over the Sanguine Depths Dungeon of Revendreth) and Wrath into their Sword the Apocalypse.
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