I literally linked the current situation of WotLK classic, which includes parse counts. Are you going to address it or just again pretend it doesn’t exist and defer to your bad recollection?
Here’s one for MoP if you need further proof:
Survival saw a lot of play in its tenure as a ranged spec. If you believe otherwise you’re mistaken. You’re probably projecting your understanding of current SV into the past, assuming it was always unpopular as it is now. That isn’t the case. They took a popular spec and replaced it with an unpopular one.
Nope, that’s just your fever dream. SV did very well as a ranged spec and then they ruined it with melee. That’s the reality, and unlike you I have the receipts.
Since SV has become melee there have been literally two (2) fights where it’s been the case that bringing more melee has been beneficial, and in both cases you could do just fine brining a ranged Hunter anyway.
So no, it hasn’t given this class a significant amount of versatility.
Notice how once again you focus on hypotheticals instead of reality. I don’t care about what you think would happen. I care about what does happen.
I don’t play WotLK classic, I don’t care about WotLK classic, and as far as I’m concerned WotLK classic is absolutely and utterly irrelevant to how Surv was percieved a dozen or more years ago.
Again. Surv was NEVER that popular. People tried it for a little bit during each of its reworks, and then they abandoned it again because BM and MM had better DPS and play functionality. It wasn’t until it was made a melee spec that it actually had a stable crowd of people that used it. A lot of those IIRC were PVP hunters. I’ll confess, I do more PVE than PVP so I can’t offer a lot of analysis about that.
It fell flat as a ranged spec. Hence it being reworked into melee.
Then I shouldn’t have to explain these things to you. Should I?
Admit those fights exist, then downplay the fact that they exist to suit your argument.
I’m just going to come right out and say it: It’s all hypothetical to me because I couldn’t give a rat’s posterior about Surv. I have zero interest in playing a melee hunter, and ranged Surv never really offered enough for me to invest a lot of time in it. That’s the reality.
You can reduce everything I say down to “I don’t like Surv”. I freely admit that. But you act like I also want to burn your house down, key your car, and kick your dog. I promise you this isn’t the case.
Because theres too many ranged dps slots, and old survival hunter sucked. It had an identity crisis where it didn’t know if it was MM or BM, along with a confusing 20% heal per enemy killed and some random focus on traps? Idk it was weird and terrible.
Bruh. You can’t say “I don’t care” when you made a specific claim about SV’s status in the past.
The spec saw lots of play in WotLK, Cata, and MoP. I have proof of my claim. You don’t. I’m tired of listening to your dishonesty and manipulation. Come back with proof of your claims or don’t come back at all.
Damn, for a spec that was “always less functional” it sure saw a lot of inclusion on cutting-edge progression for several expansions.
Just stop. You’re so breathtakingly misinformed I’m getting second-hand embarrassment.
Again, come back with proof or don’t come back at all.
I posted my proof. Post yours.
Here’s me playing it in January 2015, 6 months before they announced Legion and melee Survival. At this time SV was by far the most played spec in the game (not just the class).
(Compare the Jan-Feb fortnightly parses for SV v.s. the other specs)
So no, they did not rework it because it “fell flat”. They reworked it because a talentless imbecile named Chad Nervig a.k.a. Celestalon got put in charge of class design and set out to mutilate the Hunter class to suit his own repulsive vision.
Note: SV DID fall off in Hellfire Citadel a few months after that vid, but that’s because they nerfed it to hell a month before Legion was announced; probably to ensure people didn’t get too attached before they outright removed it. Seeing as it fooled oblivious people like you into assuming SV was always bad, I guess it was an effective move.
You don’t because you’re terrifically wrong about everything.
2 fights. In 4 expansions. Both times you could just play BM or MM and do fine anyway.
In every single other case SV is worse-off for being melee instead of ranged.
No, we are not more versatile for having a melee spec. It’s far too rare a circumstance for that.
If SV were instead a ranged spread cleave spec that used multidotting and funnelling, that would frequently be very useful for us. You wouldn’t know that, though, because you do no competitive content whatsoever.
If you don’t care then don’t post because you’re posting nothing but misinformation.
You correctly identified at the start of the thread that melee SV is a disaster. Despite that good start, you opted to post brazen revisionism and lies about ranged SV. When someone far more informed and equipped with evidence came and proved you wrong, you quadrupled down because you couldn’t handle being wrong. I’m sure you’ll post some timewaster BS in response to this (that won’t include a shred of proof of anything) and you’ll convince yourself that you’re correct, but deep down you’ll know that this act only works for yourself and everyone else in the thread can clearly see who’s informed and correct v.s. who’s making it up as they go along.
No surprise to see you turn up with your tired-old dishonesty.
I notice you’re on the same server as Dârtt. Is lying on the forums a Proudmoore tradition or something?
There are literally more melee specs than ranged specs
Old SV Hunter was a very capable and widely-enjoyed spec
Saying old SV had an identity crisis between BM and MM when current SV has Kill Command, Wildfire Bomb, Raptor Strike, and Kill Shot in the same toolkit is laughable projection
20% heal and trap focus literally describes Legion melee SV
I know you know all this as you’ve been told before. You’re habitually dishonest and probably can’t help it. This is more about informing the reader about your dishonesty.
I would like for them to get some sort of caster spec, call it fel-priest or something… a mix of warlock’s demo and mage’s fire specs. High mobility and mid range, lots of hit n run gameplay.
they are meant too hunt demons, and technically are no longer hunting demons if they are adventuring around azeroth as unstable psychopaths who are hellbent on killing the legion.
plus it’s kinda weird seeing a demon hunter go around killing non-demons.
Dude. You remind me of my mother trying to make the case that since I liked peas when I was six months old that I should like them now. And that’s all I get out of this discussion: “Eat your peas. You love peas because everyone loves peas. You can’t prove that everyone doesn’t love peas!”
I think at some point she said something about still having the empty baby food jars somewhere, which I thought was kind of wierd. But mothers do mother things. I wouldn’t know, I’m not a mom.
Look. You’ve said things. I’ve said things. Clearly we don’t agree, and we can agree to disagree and move on. I’m asking you politely to drop it. Stop with the hyperbolic responses and stop running to other threads to badmouth me there. There’s no future where continuing this stupidity helps either of our cases. Let it go.
