Demo 😂

[Hexxes-malganis (Hexxes)]

Is busted. If you disagree you’re wrong. Don’t even try to change my mind. Never ending CC. Mortal Strike lite. Only casts fear yet does huge damage. Can’t even pillar it cuz pets solo you (BM Hunt Jr.). If Destro gets nerfed you’ll just have to deal with 3 months of this after. Game sucks. /rantover

[Bombs-shattered-hand]

Keep seeing this and “endless cc” but they legit only have axe toss over their other specs.

Isn’t tyrant their only real burst, yes it can beat on you for 30ks a pop but it can also be controlled.

They hard cast everything except instant demo bolt procs which can be slowed down by interrupting hand of guldan

IDK seems like folk’s really just don’t know what a demo lock does.

[Hexxes-malganis (Hexxes)]

@Bombs-shattered-hand

Keep seeing this and “endless cc” but they legit only have axe toss over their other specs.

And that is enough. If you are a caster facing them it’s spell lock, coil, axe toss, shadowfury, and fear x3 to constantly deal with. That’s a lot.

@Bombs-shattered-hand

Isn’t tyrant their only real burst, yes it can beat on you for 30ks a pop but it can also be controlled.

You can deal with tyrant sometimes but they have strong consistent damage as well plus a 10% mortal strike.

@Bombs-shattered-hand

They hard cast everything except instant demo bolt procs which can be slowed down by interrupting hand of guldan

They actually don’t cast anything except hand of guldan which is just like chaos bolt so you have to never interrupt fear to try and stop it.

@Bombs-shattered-hand

IDK seems like folk’s really just don’t know what a demo lock does.

I know exactly what it does and played it in Legion (just to 2k but still fully understand it’s abilities). Honestly it seems like you and anyone defending it don’t understand it.

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

Using tyrant to burst is kind of stupid imo. It’s a lot more useful for extending the duration of your demons. I.e. throw fel lord then stand in it, summon extra felguard (gives extra stun), then tyrant for 30 seconds of double felguard and fel lord. IMO it’s not really worth using more than one of the tyrant trait any more at 50% effectiveness, and explosive potential x3 is really good for consistent damage.

And I agree completely with op. If destro wasn’t as good as it is, demo would be in it’s place. It’s really just as good, it just doesn’t fill exactly the same role and isn’t quite as straightforward. Axe toss, grimoire felguard axe toss, coil, shadowfury, then spammable fear and zone denial stuff like fel lord, etc. just make it a beast to deal with if played right.

[Dotznheals-zuljin]

“They actually don’t cast anything except hand of guldan which is just like chaos bolt so you have to never interrupt fear to try and stop it.”

So if all they cast is hand of guldan, then how do the generate the shards required for it? 0/10 poor troll, all due to likely getting wasted by a lock

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

@Dotznheals-zuljin

So if all they cast is hand of guldan, then how do the generate the shards required for it? 0/10 poor troll, all due to likely getting wasted by a lock

Instant demonbolt and soul strike. He’s not wrong. If you’re casting shadowbolt a lot, you are doing it wrong.

[Dotznheals-zuljin]

@Bertimus-sargeras

Instant demonbolt and soul strike. He’s not wrong. If you’re casting shadowbolt a lot, you are doing it wrong.

“They actually don’t cast anything except hand of guldan which is just like chaos bolt so you have to never interrupt fear to try and stop it.”

Notice any contradiction between the two quotes?

[Hexxes-malganis (Hexxes)]

@Bertimus-sargeras

@Dotznheals-zuljin

So if all they cast is hand of guldan, then how do the generate the shards required for it? 0/10 poor troll, all due to likely getting wasted by a lock

Instant demonbolt and soul strike. He’s not wrong. If you’re casting shadowbolt a lot, you are doing it wrong.

Correct, and due to the strength of the pets not getting a lot of shards (you actually still get overloaded with shards a lot of times due to instant demon bolts) and filling dps with shadow bolt isn’t much of an issue. You lose out of very minimal DPS and can just spam fears. If you kick a fear it doesn’t matter because they don’t have to cast anything for damage except hand of guldan every once in a while. And guess what you can cast it if shadow locked.

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

If you are coming from a place of 0 arena experience and are a pedantic troll, yes, I can see that point of view. Obviously the point is the opportunity cost of using kicks to prevent damage vs. using kicks to prevent CC.

[Bowtronz-darrowmere (Bowtronz)]

Honestly when ppl were saying that demo is totally fun to play back in BFA beta, I was looking forward to it. After trying it, I disagree. Legion demo was way more dynamic and interesting. Funny how not one class became more enjoyable to its previous iteration with BFA (exception to survival hunters and shadow priests maybe).

[Dotznheals-zuljin]

The op is going about his strat wrong or it is in a comp that easily counters his. if demo were the almighty lock spec arena would be flooded with them at all ratings and it’s not. I just find it funny when people like him complain about problems that aren’t actually game wide problems and try to claim the “game is trash”. They would likely have better luck reevaluating how they got about said classes comps and implementing different strategy than to go full mongo everytime and complain. Just my 2 cents though.

[Sanguiñius-emerald-dream]

Actually, no I don’t. I think reading is hard for you perhaps.

[Hexxes-malganis (Hexxes)]

You are extremely biased and blind to the truth. In your first post you showed how little you know about the spec when you stated:

@Dotznheals-zuljin

So if all they cast is hand of guldan, then how do the generate the shards required for it? 0/10 poor troll

Obviously you play a Lock or you wouldn’t be so biased and defensive. However at the same time you don’t even know Demo can generate shards without casting. Which actually explains why you think it’s fine as you are likely trying to turret shadow bolts into people while getting smacked down.

[Saucerboy-kelthuzad (Saucerboy)]

Been wanting to enhance/demo takeover since S1 but every lock I know is a fotm shmuck. Turbo so friggin boring .

[Voidcoil-malganis]

isn’t their viability due to the fact they have a permanent bloodlust with 3 traits of explosive potential? It will be nerfed soon just like flashpoint i’m sure

[Oserix-shattered-hand]

@Hexxes-malganis

And that is enough. If you are a caster facing them it’s spell lock, coil, axe toss, shadowfury, and fear x3 to constantly deal with. That’s a lot.

etc etc

Hey maybe you’re right, as a Shaman I’m prob spoiled cus a chain like that wouldn’t ever realistically happen.

Demo is pretty rare to face and the 2 that I’ve played with and the 3 that I’ve vs’d (1 of them being 1 i played with) didn’t seem all that overwhelming

being completely anecdotal here but from what I’ve seen in arena people tend to just ignore or pay little mind to Demo and BM pets when facing these specs even their healers I’ve seen are slow to dispel a pet hexed or rooted.

Prob more so now with maledict, anyway I’m just ranting nvm me

[VoidAshes-54991 (VoidAshes)]

Demo imo is actually insanely gross, its just not played and im not super sure why lol

[Hayhey-bleeding-hollow (Hayhey)]

Weird cause I aint seen one demo in any arena tourney this season. But I do ssee lotsa elemental shammies.

[VoidAshes-54991 (VoidAshes)]

It might just come down to Demo being harder to play? Im not sure though

[Hexxes-malganis (Hexxes)]

@Voidcoil-malganis

sn’t their viability due to the fact they have a permanent bloodlust with 3 traits of explosive potential?

I haven’t really seen anyone using that yet. I doubt it’s as good in PvP as you want to keep the pets active since you aren’t generating as many due to never casting shadow bolt. Plus all traits are halved so just not as powerful.

@Oserix-shattered-hand

Hey maybe you’re right, as a Shaman I’m prob spoiled cus a chain like that wouldn’t ever realistically happen.

First off I want to congratulate you on that mog. Looks awesome. Secondly it doesn’t really matter if it’s all chained on top of each other as the constant disruption is enough. Despite Elemental having probably the best tools to deal with Demo it’s still a real pain as we are heavily dependent on lasso and they can shut it down with axe toss.

Regardless my point of view on them isn’t from one spec alone. It’s more just my take on them as a whole. Honestly BfA just seems like it’s a constant flow of really stupid things that crop up constantly. From Enhance stormstrike talents, to Fury passive freedoming itself, to DH mana burn, to Prot Pal, to Lightning Lasso, to Demo never casting, etc. It’s all just frustrating garbage that never seems to end.