The effort to reward scale is astronomical in comparison from delve to M+ and that hasn’t changed since launch. Delves are useful for gearing alts so we can jump into higher keys. It makes sense why people say delves are too rewarding, its because they are. But they do plateau, like you are NEVER going to get enough gilded to upgrade or craft 636 gear. it would takes years.
I can’t even remember if delve gives gilded but if they do its only like a couple… I don’t notice such small rewards when you need 90 to craft a 636 lol even 12 is like a spit in the face when you manage a pug +8 and time it which is like winning the lottery. I do have friends and a guild that makes this easier but not everyone does. M+ also takes a lot of time , expensive pots, food n flasks etc just as all serious endgame does.
I see what Blizzard did, they essentially made hero gear wellfare gear and said ok, if you want to upgrade it, now you have to do M+. And even raiders have to M+. There is no other option if you want gilded crests. But I feel like this has ruined natural M+ progression, where people are jumping into keys that they don’t belong in, don’t know mechanics or how to even play the class properly. Progression is out of whack in terms of difficulty curve.
M+ has felt like crap all season, and doesn’t seem to be improving in pugs as I have seen it previously. I don’t think its the best idea to give people some of the best gear in the game for no effort, then expect them to do harder content and it not be a total cluster… but this is just a simple observation I don’t really care about delve rewards as I said they hit a point where you must go to the other content anyway or just stay at 620.
You are competing against a timer, outside of your group no one cares what you do. Just do what you do and have fun.
If other people had less gear, I would have more fun.
we need more solo content and to ignore those who demand solo content to get nothing by those who demand only group content get good rewards. its basically like mythic plus players demanding pvp players get nothing ignore them and continue.
Diablo 4 is right over there.
pvp players already get nothing.
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and whos fault is that the same people who demand delves get no or less rewards
No, it’s so they are happy, and so are pve players.
No need for overpowered raid trinkets in pvp anymore. (Unless if balancing is out of whack.)
not true pvp players still want to be powerful and get good gear just as pve players no they are not happy your reasoning on it is wrong.
PVP gear literally doesn’t change for the most part. And its use in PVE is extremely limited.
People in PVP want a fair match, not to outgear the opposition.
Gonna have to disagree with you on this one, chief. People love outgearing others in PvP. What people in PvP want to do is win.
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no people who do pvp want to win they only want a fair match if they are on the losing side.
Those aren’t real pvpers.
Then the vast majority of people aren’t “real PvPers.”
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the vast majority aren’t out there twinking in BGs.
Nice moving goalpost there. We’ve gone from the prospect of outgearing people to twinking. At least try to make your tricks less obvious.
Because that’s the element that lets you ougear people. Gear is pretty much equal at the top.
If by at the top you mean top PvPers, yes. If by at the top you mean max level PvP, no, it’s absolutely not. Very few non-diehard PvP players are fully geared out. Regardless, I don’t know a single person at any level of PvP that won’t gladly stomp a mudhole in some fresh, green-geared 80 if given the opportunity.
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indeed, warmode i will say was a mistake and is IMO the primary issue with wow to in addition to less ways to get OP as a pvp player. in addition if you’re not a mythic plus or high-end raider your basically given scraps and told you dont deserve anything and the moment we get stuff those at the pve upper end complain like spoiled children that others are getting nice stuff to.
Raiders can’t rolfstomp pvp anymore. Are you saying it would be better if they were able to do so?
no one was implying that no one was saying that people want good gear regardless of content i mearly made an example.