And have the same propensity to Self Destruct.
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That got me Weezing.
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No i just mean that doing T8 delves made doing M1-6 kinda pointless for gearing.
But T11 delves are recommended for ilvl 623 but they are WAY easier then even M+3 keys.
This is 100% not true, at all.
Delves are definitely meant to be easier. Not everyone wants difficult games. I’d wager most people don’t want difficult games. Souls is popular, but easier games are more popular.
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which part?
The ‘gearing’ part you keep talking about.
Oof yeah, I won’t touch Souls games because just the level of horror stories and amount of butt-handing I see coming out of there. Story seems neat. But not my cup of tea gameplay-wise.
30XX, on the other hand…
Oh i have no issue with people not wanting to do super difficult stuff thats fine i get that
My point was that the recommendation for ilvl for delves, if we use that as a gauge for difficulty, is saying that T11 is meant for 623 ilvl, but a T11 delve is monumentally easier then M+3 which is content menat to be dropping champ gear.
So there is a weird disconnect between what they said it should be vs what it actually is.
m+ 3 is not harder than a t11. Unless you’re BM or DH, I bet you most people haven’t even tried an t11 let alone killed one. I’ve been within 5% of doing it on my Frost Mage but havent been able to. The t11 delves, even the easier ones like Spiral Weave, are on par with the hardest Torghast and solo content in this game. I even killed the first Zekvir. And yet I have like 5 runs of +3 or higher even though I’ve done like no m+ so far.
In terms of balance and numbers? yeah it is. in M3 im geting his WAY harder then im getting hit in a T11 delve i literally just soloed T11 and the final boss was hitting me with melee hits for about 422k, with 493k blocked, and 422k absorbed.
His AOE fire ability was hitting me fore 1.5m and 1.5m absorbed with shield block up.
That allegedly is recommended for 623+ ilvl.
M+3s are hitting for WAY harder with their mechanics and melee then that.
Figuring out which one has more damage to a tank is not the metric we are using here lol.
They are.
Yeah, it’s harder than a +8 Delve, but the reward is also much better.
You only need to do a +5 M+ to get end of dungeon gear that is the same item level as Delve gear that requires a limited currency.
You do a +7 M+ for endless 610 items that require an extremely rare limited item from Delves to get something comparable. Then the vault rewards are the same as +8 Delves. With +10 giving 613 drops and mythic gear from the vault.
The mythic + players crying about Delves are ignoring that their gear can be endlessly farmed and the more difficult keys give better items than what’s possible with Delves. Delve Trinkets are also pure garbage in comparison. You also get to target end of dungeon gear by doing the dungeons that drop what you need.
Unless someone gets extremely lucky with Delves they are not going to gear up quickly with them. You have a limited resource that can give you duplicates of items and the main reason it’s been so good for people was that the keys dropped before S1 for some reason so we have had a few week’s worth of keys saved up. A new character without that stockpile will take much longer to get to the same point.
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Yes, you are.
Seems like a lot of group activities to me.
Such as?
I like to go back and try to solo old raids. Not just the ones that fall over without any effort. The more gear I get the more I could solo some DF raids. It would be nice to not be stopped by “unsoloable mechanics” but it is what it is. That’s why I want progression, not that I need to justify it.
You must think all solo players ever do is “go out and kill open world mobs for fun”. You don’t have a concept of solo players and for some reason don’t want solo players to get any gear above the trash WQ gear.
I think it’s time people like you get off your high horse. Or be mad solo players are getting champion gear. Whatever floats your boat.
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I can get that. I even feel for the M+ community, but the casuals love this stuff. It’s easy gear and that’s what they have wanted for, … Well since M+ came out really. And the game just kept getting harder, so Blizz lost many casuals and grinders. Delves are bringing some of those people back.
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If you happen upon this post, and you agree. Give it a like. It’ll show we like delves and want them to stay.
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Go back under your bridge.
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Agreed.
This i know too, and doing T8 delves is monumentally easier then doing M5 at the moment.
And thats cool i acknowledge that and im doing that. I dont have a problem with that.
My entire thing has been, M+ under that difficulty is pretty much pointless now, becuase of the effort needed does not reflect the reward it offers as a result.
The great key squish killed the low level key bracket.
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And o’ the Mythic + Pugstars lamented onto the night.
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