554 is an interestingly low point for non-bountiful delves that are 4+, given that there are world quests giving higher iLvL than that. But it doesn’t shock me that there’s a cap on the non-bountiful delve rewards – 554 seems pretty low, though.
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|Delve Tier Level|Bountiful Delve Rewards|Initial Upgrade Level||Great Vault|Initial Upgrade Level|
|1|561|Explorer 2/8||584|Veteran 1/8|
|2|564|Explorer 3/8||584|Veteran 1/8|
|3|571|Adventurer 1/8||587|Veteran 2/8|
|4|577|Adventurer 3/8||597|Champion 1/8|
|5|584|Veteran 1/8||603|Champion 3/8|
|6|590|Veteran 3/8||606|Champion 4/8|
|7|597|Champion 1/8||610|Hero 1/6|
|8|603|Champion 3/8||616|Hero 3/6|
|9|603|Champion 3/8||616|Hero 3/6|
|10|603|Champion 3/8||616|Hero 3/6|
|11|603|Champion 3/8||616|Hero 3/6|
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Why? They said the key was the only way they could control how much loot was going out and that it was needed to allow it to be an end game pilar of progression.
Most of us will end up with 12 keys anyway. I used one on an alt in a bountiful delve for fun. Otherwise, I have been holding on to all of them since early access.
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I get that it is to slow loot down, but i think it should allow better than 554 gear before cutting off.
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This is a huge miss and I wish this information was more apparent sooner.
My excitement about this expansion just dropped by a significant margin.
It’s really unfortunate they chose to cap the normal rewards for delves behind bountiful key usage. The harder the delve the better the reward should be. If this is a pillar of content, treat it as such, let players progress through this in a similar way to how M+ already works for others.
Additionally, why on earth is the recommended item level to do these tiers of difficulty the same item level as the rewards you get WITH a bountiful key.
This makes delves not it’s own pillar of content but one more time sink just to optimize your great vault. The M+ players will be doing these with their superior rewards while those players that don’t participate in M+ that viewed Delves as a system for them will again just be left in the dark.
M+ isn’t gated behind having access to a key that limits the number of M+ runs you can do in a week. This isn’t a minor gate of progression for players who were looking forward to delves. This essentially makes delves pointless except for the once a week item from the great vault.
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I pugged multiple C/D tier toons to at least 2k rating last expansion just to prove a point. This is just an excuse.
I really hope they aren’t locking loot behind limited keys / bountiful spawns… At least make normal delves have a chance to drop loot, even if it isn’t 100%.
Even if it drops green, non-upgradable loot… that’s something to allow you to continue to progress and give a reason to actually do the delves.
If true, then this. I was looking forward to not being forced to endure the toxic cesspool that is M+ just to progress.
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It’s not even relevant. This is supposed to be it’s own pillar. There’s no reason any discussion here should involve other pillars of content and that doing those should be accessible or not. The whole purpose of delves was to service a subset of the community that wasn’t enjoying the existing pillars of content.
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At least link the article… you can link wowhead articles to the forums… instead of some awful screenshot that looks SUPER edited.
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Why would I edit this? Jeez.
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Yee i see it… it reads super vague to me… idk. Doesnt make sense that running a +11 Delve without a key would cap you at 554.
Wowhead is pure AI garbage at this point… so i dont really believe it until I see it tbh
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Are there specific items/item types that drop from certain Delves, or do they all have a shared loot pool?
E.g., If you want battle pet X, you have to do a spider Delve, etc.
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I think normal delves should have a slight gear upgrade to drop the equivalent of heroic dungeon gear at say T4 and above. More upgrade levels completed as you go up the tiers. Getting adventure gear isn’t going to break anything but would make normal delves feel better and help people progress through this gearing route.
That way someone could play normal delves a bunch and get full adventure gear and then use keys each week on bountiful delves to add some higher level gear. Over time all the adventure gear would be replaced but it would make the gearing route through delves a bit better.
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Delves should definitely offer loot competitive with Heroic dungeons at tier 8, at the very least. Who cares? Honestly. Heroic dungeons are incredibly easy anyway. If anything it’s probably harder to do a tier 8 delve.
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I agree that it isn’t relevant to this conversation, but that excuse (no matter what conversation it’s put in) is nothing more than an excuse by people who don’t try.
And they should drop gear that increases up to a specific level. I’d agree with that. Delves aren’t my cup of tea; I’ll just mainly do M+. However, I still think delves should have at least some lucrative reason for folks to want to pursue them especially if they’re an “end-game pillar.”
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That’s odd. I can do higher tiers without keys, but it’s essentially capped at tier 3?
Why even allow people into them without keys if they aren’t getting anything more than what drops in a 3?
I’m not saying they need to give me uber high gear or something, but why do non-bountifuls even exist then?
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Almost positive WoWhead is capping.
Its AI garbage…
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I think this should be changed somewhat. It’s already organized into brackets. The default end of delve loot should either increase in each bracket, or provide a currency to eventually buy pieces of gear, much like how the outdoor events in DF had.
I do know there’s a currency associated already, however. Some sort of coin. I also know that currency will be used to purchase cosmetics. I don’t know if the currency vendor offers any sort of gear, so perhaps this is already a non-issue and I just don’t have enough information about that vendor.
There may also be world quests to go in there with better gear rewards, much like how they pop up for dungeons. I haven’t been looking for them.
If none of that exists and it’s only 554, I still think the guaranteed bountiful rewards are enough to carry progression in this system. Although gear isn’t guaranteed from the other caches, so a way to slowly progress within the confines of this system from repeat runs would be beneficial.
I guess they just don’t us to hold onto our keys until tier 8, which is what a lot of people who run more difficult content will do already up front, and then ditch it. They want us to spend them to gear up and climb.
solo play for delves is going to go to the wayside very quickly, people will just treat coffer keys like mythic keystones and go in as groups to complete for the bountiful prize boxes.
in the end, they will just be mini mythic+.
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I don’t think so. I think that’ll happen for people who run other PUG/Premade content, sure. Delves really aren’t designed for those people. They’re a pillar for people who don’t do that content.