PvP will never be balanced when 50% of the horde population have access and only 10% of alliance.
Not to mention the class buffs of those 40% aren’t even considered magic.
Give it 8 sec cd + give another purge to alliance + make shamanistic rage and imbues a magic effect.
#yawn. 2/10
Look another Paladin, wishing they rerolled Shaman. Look, WotLK was the era for Paladins. Be happy you can global people in your HoJ now. You’re better than 2h Shamans and DW Shamans in PvP anyways.
Delete paladin dispel. Same argument.
pallies are the defensive hybrids. thus they have a defensive dispel.
shaman are the offensive hybrids. thus they have an offensive dispel.
this holds true to this day on all classic “vanilla-ish” games.
and trust me the defensive dispel is quite strong in its own right.
edit to add:
if they made pally an offensive hybrid you would no longer have bubble and it would be replaced fully by wings.
do you want that?
cause there are other design decisions that would be different if they were to change you to an offensive hybrid that you might not like.
Agreed. All shamans have to do is purge pally seals and blessings and they cant do anything. The good ones anywaya…
cant purge a bubbled paladin who needs less than 2 seconds to global you.
maybe try again with a quip?
Except pallies have dispel so alliance has a much easier time with dot classes. Also theres still no counter to bubble so pallies just get free kills and can spin flags for years with little to no effort.
Nerf pallies, buff warriors. Its that simple.
That’s not the best argument. Shamans can dispel poison and have a poison cleansing totem. Would you agree they should only have one of these? Shamans have offensive dispel and they have grounding totem. They should only have one of these right? And a offensive dispel is objectively better in PvP than a defensive one. Besides priests, only shamans can dispel Free action potion, and other consumables. Paladins have no way of doing this. Purge absolutely needs a CD or nerf of some kind. It’s not even close.
Ok deal put purge on a 5min cd like pally bubbles
no. i wouldnt agree.
simply put they were designed to mostly do the same roles (as healers with all the tier sets from original vanilla) and have to be able to dispel stuff.
you were to have a mix of healers all capable of dispelling different things.
notice shaman cant dispel magic debuffs (which is most of the important ones in the game).
we can argue offense vs defensive usefullness on dispels all day but the fact is , its been this way for a long long time and would take more than a bandaid fix here or there to address the gaping wound properly.
you think too small and small thinking in a world as complex as it is, is bad design.
Delete Paladin bubble
Don’t worry they already nerfed shockadin and pally healing — they will find something else to nerf. Shamans must reign supreme!! Haha.
Just remove shamans and paladins both from SoD and be done with it, so the alliance can move on to crying about something else.
The initial design in vanilla doesn’t matter bro. The reality is they are changing runes or removing them entirely, adding huge HP pool and dmg reduction to physical and magic. Even the devs know something is wrong, they just have no idea to fix it besides adding more HP to BGs or DMG reduction. The game was not balanced, is not balanced. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to justify them having a un-nerfed purge, but if your argument is “the initial design had it for diversity of dispels”, then you need a new argument because that one sucks. Changes need to happen on base abilities. There is no good argument against this.
That’s not how balancing works. Dumb statement.
Let me do you a favor and prove you correct. Even if we got rid of pallies and shamans, horde racials are still much better. Orcs have stun resist and blood fury, undead have will of the forsaken, trolls have berzerking. While alliance on the other hand have humans with stealth detect (which is okay, but situational since you gotta know your around a stealthed opponent), dwarves have stoneskin (best racial for PVP on alliance), Night elves get shadowmeld (decent for stealthing near flags, but they never do that), and gnomes get escape artist which isn’t bad, depends on what class you are. It’s unbalanced in PVE and PVP, at least that is my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong though!
I play both, and this really is kinda false for a lot of reasons. IF this were true we would not have Grounding totem, Tremor totem, etc.
The problem with SoD is that the class changes are all bad… literally none of them were wise choices.
So you just said alliance racials are ok and one being the best in PvP for alliance… I mean what else do you want?
Honestly I don’t really want anything, was mainly just proving his point. If we talk balance though I think Alliance could use help with racials in PVE (but that is not what we are talking about).
For PVP on the other hand:
Only change I could even argue here is maybe the Gnomish racial being instant instead of a cast? But overall for PVP their not horribly off.