While reading Before the Storm, they kept trying to tug at my heart strings by showing how undead could not go back to their human families and what not.
But why are death knights accepted by the humans? After all these years with death knights in the Alliance there is still such a bias against the rest of the undead?
Second point of confusion. How was there no retribution for attacking Light’s Hope and attempting to claim Tirion? I thought this quest chain was absolutely amazing, but then it seems like the Paladins just didn’t that we slaughtered them without warning.
Because we are the only heros in wow and everyone needs us. The paladins dont fight back because they know they wouldnt stand a chance. Death Knights are the nukes of wow and you just dont poke a nuke.
Both of these. Acherus has a good record of being helpful and is usually found parked over the bad stuff kicking its tail. Forsaken as often as not ARE the bad stuff, and go down shouting “she will rule forever”.
Keep in mind the Argents brought on undead too. At this point undead in general are probably considered kind of gross, but even folks like Greymane have really focused the chips on their shoulder onto the ones that specifically follow Ms. War Crimes.
Sylvanas remade Nathanos specifically so he’d look more human, but that’s only after he’s proven his loyalty. She doesn’t grant regular Forsaken that sort of favor.
There is not a big bias with undead in the Alliance. There is a big bias of forsaken. You know, the ones that want to kill them every day? The forsaken dont want to be left alone, they want to kill for their queen. Death knights arent tied to a fanatical ruler and prefer to be left alone. The book made SOME of them want to see their families, but even then those few wouldnt keep their families over their Queen till she tried to kill them.
The forsaken: A murderous group who tries to kill all and destroy the land wherever they go.
Ebon Blade: Only kill when they cant help it. Would rather not be needed ever.
That’s inconsistent writing. No expac truly continues it’s story all the way. Only the endings really matter.
That and it very costly for her to do if all forsaken looked like Nathanos or the dark rangers they probably be more accepted among the other races and wouldn’t follow her brainwashing.
Not sure I agree with that. These people were once human. Why would they want to kill them? Were they forsaken because they want to kill the humans or do they kill humans because they were forsaken?
Our latest warfront is literally kicked off by someone getting raised as Forsaken and immediately, within seconds, flying off to try and murder everyone she’s ever cared about, alongside hundreds of Forsaken NPCs who are literally shouting cultlike praises to their queen. I don’t think their wants are particularly relevant at this point.
This goes back into inconsistent writing. Because at WoW launch, yeah, the Forsaken were mostly just shunned and had nowhere else to go. At this point, we ALL have undead folks running around, and the Forsaken are straight up cray cray.
the forsaken were human that the humans wanted to kill for being undead, forsaking them to the horde. Death Knights look more like their original racial form so are probably easier to accept, an orc dk is still and orc just like a human dk is still a human; we’re just a little different.
good thread. but i agree to the inconsistent writing.
Death Knight’s aren’t really accepted actually. Militarily, they are accepted by the Alliance and Horde, but I don’t think there’s any lore or happenings that suggest they are accepted by the families they had in life.
The lore for our player character Death Knights wasn’t really touched upon from Cata to Legion, so we don’t really know where our Death Knights spent most of their time. However, we do know that they preferred to spend their time in Acherus.
What matters most, I think, is how the Death Knight population and the Forsaken population handled their isolation and rejection from their former peers. The Death Knights went back to their former faction leaders after having received a blessing from Tirion and Mograine, but remained loyal to the neutrality of Acherus. The Forsaken, as a whole; which is comprised of former humans and Thalassian Elves, sided completely with the Horde – The Horde, a faction that has largely been at war with the faction containing most of the human population.
However, I share your sentiment concerning the attack on Light’s Hope to claim Tirion’s body and raise him as a Death Knight. At the same time, it’s not like there is a constant war between Light’s Hope and Archerus, so I wouldn’t expect the contention to escalate in a manner comparable to the Humans and the Forsaken.
Everyone had to work together to beat the lich king, at times we even needed the dragon aspect’s help and the horde and alliance and hero’s and engineering and so on.
They weren’t going to let powerful humans go to waste.
All I say someone has a drinking problem worse than me. We have undead, undead forsaken dk, we have night elf and worgon both immune to becoming undead becoming death Knights and undead night elf. Insanity has check itself into the coat closet at writers disk.
We should have definitely seen some reaction out of them.
Honestly though, when first doing the Death Knight quests in Legion, my first two guesses for the leader of the Four Horsemen were Tirion and Mograine. Even though that was my first guess, it was all still very interesting. Tirion dying was spoiled for me, but the Death Knight quests were not. Knowing that Tirion was dead, in accordance with Bolvar being present when Tirion was contemplating on becoming the next Lich King, set my mind up for Tirion to be my first guess. It was too perfect.