You may be right. I don’t think we would really know that though since Bolvar is the first.
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But…but…I’m pretty!?
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That and dosen’t have Frostmourne and didn’t we kinda purge a bit of Arthas and Ner’zhul a bit?
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One would think trying to claim Tirion should have really pissed off a lot of the alliance. Horde probably laughed for days when they heard the story.
As to why they’re still tolerated…I mean, if I were a grunt in this war, I sure wouldn’t mind a nigh-immortal undead killing machine who can lay waste to hordes of enemies by sneezing diseases at them fighting by my side…
…Maybe not literally right by my side, hopefully a couple squads down the row, but I ain’t complaining.
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I don’t know how y’all feel but I’m more on the side of the death knights than the Alliance. I would love to raise Tirion up, but you are right. It shouldn’t just be the pallies that should be upset, Tirion was an Alliance hero.
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Generally it’s just lazy writing. Blizzard did fine up to a point when they forgot that people (death knights) actually have to deal with real world issues beyond their initial induction.
I think thematically Death Knights should have been Horde only, and Demon Hunters should have been Alliance only. This would have made great sense lore wise, but players probably wouldn’t have liked it.
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I maybe stretching it but I feel like undead in general should be it’s own faction, Death knights included.
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Yeah, I agree actually. They could lump in the odd races into a third faction with the Forsaken and death knights, and who ever else. It’d be a good way to have a faction that is morally evil, while the horde would be morally neutral and the alliance would be good.
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Ahem, mages are the true dominant nukes! I wish I could become the new Guardian of Tirisfal. sigh
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This is why I want to see more class-specific stuff. Legion was the first and pretty much only time since vanilla that your class meant something other than a spellbook and talent tree.
Like, every major patch, just have a small sidequest for each class to do SOMETHING that makes it relevant storywise again. Ideally every expansion we get something a bit longer that culminates in a cross-faction scenario to keep the neutral factions involved (and can even devolve into cross-faction backstabbing), but honestly I’d take ANYTHING.
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I’d view it as Death Knights bringing more up-to-date knowledge of Scourge Tactics by the time they joined as well as the good word of the Argent Crusade at first, and then begrudging respect (and maybe a little fear) afterwards. Note that the Forsaken ARE accepted by some within the Horde.
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I can think of three reasons why the Silver Hand exacted no retribution, sought no remuneration. First, it honestly isn’t the Paladin way. That kind of thinking resulted in the Lich King. Second, The Ebon Blade was doing what they thought they NEEDED to against the BURNING LEGION. The Silver Hand might not have been happy about it, but that reasoning stands up and might get a (reluctant) pass. Third, The Ebon Blades latest attack did wonders to display the disparity between the Paladins and Death Knights in terms of unit-to-unit power/knight-to-knight power. Liadrin is many things, but a pushover isn’t one of them. And she lost…badly WITH a home field advantage and the only thing that saved her was the fact that the Death Knights weren’t actually trying to kill her and the Light performing a Deus Ex Machina. If the Silver Hand TRIED to exact retribution on the Ebon Blade, and the Ebon didn’t particularly feel like feeling said retribution…the Silver Hand would lose pretty badly.
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Yeah, 100% agree. Just a little bit here and there and it will keep the player engaged with their class.
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I think I can live with that actually. If they lost at Light’s Hope they really don’t have a chance anywhere else.
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Bolvar gave up everything to become the Lich King. Well, I suppose he was forced to give up everything after he survived the attack from the Red Dragonflight and was transformed into an undeath-like state after having been burned… in accordance with whatever the Lich King may have done with him.
After everything he has been through, it seems like he’s keeping somewhat of a leash on the Scourge and attempting to protect the world in his own way. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to me for Bolvar deciding to raise Tirion as a Death Knight. After all, Tirion died and Bolvar was there when Tirion was about to give up everything to become the Lich King anyways. Bolvar knew that Tirion would have made the sacrifice if it meant saving the world, which is likely part of the reason why he considered Tirion as a potential candidate for the leader of the Four Horsemen.
We don’t exactly know how the power of the Crown of Domination is affecting Bolvar either. All we know for sure is that Ner’zhul and Arthas are no longer an active influence within the crown.
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Can’t agree more. Legion did such a good job with that. At least from the DK perspective.
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Yeah, that’s the best reason I’ve heard so far. Take it a step further - if paladins wanted some holy retribution, it’s not a small, relatively weakly guarded tomb they’d be raiding.
It would be a literal flying fortress, surrounded by an army of mounted knights, and inside that very fortress the DKs have the ability to just deathgrip you into one of those converters and turn you into one of them. And unless you’re Tirion-level, it’s gonna work.
Yeah, I’d pass on that too.
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Did you finish the Death Knight starting zone? If you did you’d know that Death Knights aren’t really liked in the Alliance so much as tolerated, and even then only because Tirion vouches for us (this is actually the same with the Horde).
“Bias” against the rest of the undead, or more specifically the Forsaken, mostly has to do with the fact that the Forsaken continue to slaughter and torture members of the Alliance whenever they get the chance.
I do agree though that it’s weird there was no retribution toward us after we attack LIght’s Hope. I’d think everyone would look down on us for that. Then again Liadrin has since become a shrill for Sylvanas, so maybe the Lich King just knew what she’d become and decided to have us rough her up, shame we didn’t kill her when we easily could’ve really.
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I don’t buy this part. When the undead were free from Arthas’ control, their first thought wasn’t to torture Alliance. It was to return home, but they were forsaken.
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Bigger threat at the time with the legion, plus they did basically pull a “you owe us” with the ret hidden appearance. Likely explanations got passed on during the legionfall campaign.
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Play through some forsaken quest lines. They start making the plague and testing it on everything back in vanilla. They plague Southshore and Andorhal. Bury people in mud and bash their heads in with shovels. Force plague down people’s throats.
Sylvanas is doubtlessly the worst of the lot, but if you don’t believe what I wrote you haven’t been paying attention.
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