Whatever, clearly your fixation blinds your vision and clouds your ability to grasp that the ability to create a Death Knight just requires a suitable vessel with the right anima/soul along with someone or something with the knowledge and ability to use the appropriate necromancy rituals that creates them.
Either way technically the Lich King isn’t dead he just doesn’t have his helm anymore so according to your restriction about having to have a Lich King there is one…
What do you mean “whatever”?
Wrong. Clearly your KDS isnt allowing you to read the lore for what it is. “I have bestowed everything I am unto you, i have granted you immortality” Oh thats just some knighting process like the churches did! That is you injecting your headcanon into it.
Yes, he quite literally is.
Which means there is no more Lich King.
My restriction? You mean Blizzards restriction. I didnt write the story.
no there isnt. NO THERE ISNT. This is just your fan fic where you want to cherry pick what you want.
What title does Bolvar have in game and remain to have even without his helm? Bolvar the Lich King i.e he is still the Lich King…
Not having the helm only changed one thing and one thing only…the empowerment it provided to the ability to control undead within their proximity, the helm boosted that control to one which enabled it to work on all the full Scourge Army on Azeroth.
Bolvar the Lich King displayed the ability to use all of the various powers of the Lich King even without the Helm during Shadowlands the only thing which was mentioned and stated in Shadowlands in relation to what happened with the Helm being destroyed was that they would no longer have the power to control all the Scourge Army on Azeroth. Note the the point here that it makes it doesn’t say they can’t control the Scourge it just states they can’t do it for all of them at once. The Helm wasn’t the Lich King it was a tool that the Lich King used to boost their power and make it stronger if you take away the helm you are merely removing that power boost that it provided to powers that the Lich King has in the first place…
No, hes not. There is no more Lich King.
That there is no longer a Lich King.
Highlord… Highlord Bolvar Fordragon. No “Lich King” attached to him anymore.
Look I am over it honestly but if you want some tinfoil hat ideas…
The Primus used the remains of the Helm of Domination as the source that allowed him to forge the Crown of Wills. That crown is now worn by Pelegos the Arbiter, and if you consider the fact that the cosmic essence, souls and anima etc that made up the Helm of Domination was all put back in the pot and then reformed in to a new and improved version of the same thing? So in could it be that Pelegos the Arbiter actually the a new even more powerful Lich King and it is being hidden due to some grand plan the Primus has to make use this new Lich King at a later stage. This would mean that there is a Lich King they just aren’t on Azeroth at the moment but it would mean there is a Lich King we just don’t know that right now and this could be the answer why Death Knights can still be created if there has to be a Lich King to make them…
There is some tinfoil hat stuff to think about as it provides you the answer you need to make you happy and means everything as it is now works in game as well…
Just trying to latch onto anything?
I dont want your fanfic, the lore is the lore.
There is no LK to create DK’s anymore, period. So we are a dying breed that is going to inevitably not exist in the WoW universe just like with the old horde DK’s no longer exist.
Fine here’s your Lore that provides evidence to back up my statement and the principles behind my reasoning
The Frost DK Legendary Weapon Campaign Arc it’s exactly the same principal and that is in the lore by using the various shattered and broken remains of Frostmourne with the right additional tools and specialists to assist them they forged the two Blades of the Fallen Prince which did in fact retain some of the various aspects of Frostmourne but they also had additional power added to them
In addition you have this text on the Blades -
“When my days have come to an end, you shall be king.”
What does this King mean?
This is that principal I mentioned exactly and it is already well established lore in the game.
The Primus is using this exact same lore based principal using the pieces of the Helm of Domination to forge the Crown of Wills.
Now with the lore based understanding we already have through those Frost DK weapons that would mean that the Crown of Wills would definitely have a significant amount of the powers etc. that was part of the Helm of Domination. However, as was with the Blades creation during the forging process additional power etc can easily be added to make the new creation an enriched and empowered version of its previous form…
So my theory is based on actual Lore which proves my point and bases it on established in game facts that you can’t refute at all.
Finally ask yourself why the Arbiter would be a source that is a Lich King on a whole other power level from all previous versions?
The answer is easy when you consider what the Arbiter does in Shadowlands in relation souls. The Arbiter has ALL the souls of dead from Azeroth go through them so they can be ‘sorted’ and sent to the appropriate zones of Shadowlands and this works as it should while the Lich King remains hidden (untriggered etc). At some point a trigger happens that activates the Empowered Lich King and now Pelegos the Lich King starts using all the souls of the dead instead of sorting them he uses them as the source to make new scourge on Azeroth that is on a power level infinitely larger that any Scourge we have seen before. He would be capable of adding millions of Scourge to his army and continue to add them on a scale and capacity unlike anything we have ever seen on Azeroth. It is a scary thought if you actually join the dots, however, if I am right about him being a new type of lich king I think it will likely be something that is used as a hold the line type of last defence that will be used at some time in the future to provide the required amount of time to do something else that prevents whatever from taking Azeroth.
You know what other entity uses death as their source of power? A Lichen (pronunciation varies from sounding similar to kitchen, to like-in or lion king) funny enough also have many inherent physical properties that are not only descriptive of the Lichen/Fungi themselves, but seem to produce side effects in humans(our real life world) that mimic many characteristics of the Scourge found in the WoW universe.
I might even go so far as to guess that Arthas is perhaps supposed to be a melding of the words Arctic and Fungus. And though I’m not fully aware of Arthas’s “story/ies”, I do know of the Culling of Stratholme, and how he decided to execute the city that was exposed to contaminated supplies of grain. Which makes me think of a particularly well known fungus that happens to be cultivated from grain plants such as wheat or barley, Ergot. Which for those who are unaware, Ergot is the main precursor for creating L.S.D-25(allegedly).
Thanks and I am very aware of what a Lichen is and how it’s pronounced. However, here is something further to think about.
Lichen is actually the Undead form of an actual living creature itself…
The living creature is called a Leshen and it is made from mainly living moss with some aspect elements of living plants as well.
One process where a Leshen can become a Lichen is that it is infected with a Fungal rot that slowly kills all the living moss and plants over time by feeding on them with parasitic fungi etc. so that eventually all the original living moss and plant matter is replaced with the death plants instead of living plants.
Just something to add to your point
Thats just your fanfic. It proves nothing. Yes, there is some flavor text that accompany the blades, a call back to its past. But the traces of the LK has been cleansed from the Blades and all that “when my days have come to an end…” text is just flavor text.
The Crown of Wills is completely different than the Helm of Domination.
What lore based understanding? You have nothing there. The only thing you have is that you can recycle materials. If you recycle plastic bottles and they become carpet, that doesnt mean that your carpet is somehow a vessel to hold liquids. Its a new and entirely different thing.
No its not.
What? Im not reading anything past this point.
The exact same way that the Blades of the Fallen Prince were a completely different to Frostmourne.
However, the exact same process has been used i.e taking the broken piece of the original item and then utilising the essence and power that still remains in those broken pieces of it’s previous form and using them as the key main source material to construct the new item.
In both cases the new items had altered or modified versions of powers from the original one.
What is the Crown of Wills exactly? If you understand that the Helm of Domination essentially had a flaw in that it was suppose to fully dominate and control the individual who put it on but the flaw was that a strong willed individual could overcome the domination.
So how do you fix that issue…you remove that flaw you improve it by forging it into a new item that removes the wearers willpower completely as part of the domination process…I.E the CROWN OF WILLS
THAT IS FACTUAL WARCRAFT LORE
It’s not FANFIC IT IS LORE AND CLEARLY you don’t know it or comprehend what actually happened in terms of the Frost DK Artifact Weapon Storyline and campaign arc. In addition you clearly don’t comprehend the Shadowlands Arc that uses the same principals as the Frost DK Artifact Weapon Arc in which the Helm of Domination becomes and Crown of Wills…
GO BACK AND LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT THE PRIMUS SAYS ABOUT THE CROWN OF WILLS…
He literally tells you that this new crown doesn’t have the issues that the helm had.
I have posted factual LORE that is in game and you haven’t come back with anything to refute that and you wont be able…
I have said this several times you don’t know as much as you think you do and you lack to ability to understand this it seems…I have come back with factual lore and you have come back with nothing to say otherwise.
No you have continually came back with your fan fiction because everything else has been a complete dud.
Because its your fanfic, not worth talking about.
The Blades arent Frostmourne and the Crown of Wills isnt the Helm of Domination. None of this matters when it comes to the continued existence of DK’s. There is no LK to make more. You trying to say that Pelagos is now the LK or whatever nonsense you are making up is just wrong.
I am sick of trying to give you actual facts that have been established in game and are indeed LORE. However, you come back without a shred of evidence to refute the factual lore yet you have yet to provide a shred of lore yourself to backup you incorrect and misguided perception of things.
I provided some fanfic sure but I also provided actual stuff that is not and is lore and this is what you lack the ability to comprehend. You refuse to go an read the actual lore information and details that have been presented yet to have the audacity to then argue points without the knowledge or even take the time to go research it yourself…
FYI…if I remember correctly just to prove my point about factual lore and your inability to grasp it… You know Darkfallen yeah it’s a race and you know what that is factual lore because it has been documented in one of the Warcraft Chronicles Books…you know the books that have the cannon lore stuff…just making my point here you clearly don’t research the actual lore itself…
Unless it was held up on a big placard in game that says NEW LORE HERE you are unable to acknowledge it yourself.
So far you have only corrected something I said with information and facts once maybe twice so far…for example Bolvar title however, at no other time have you come through with any evidence information or lore that backs up any of your one line belligerent and stupid remarks…Instead how about you provide some lore to back up what you are saying because so far you really haven’t which really doesn’t make anything you say have any actual weight whatsoever…
Peace out I am done helping you understand things.
They arent actual facts. Its literally YOUR fanfic.
THERE YOU GO.
Like that on the death knight wiki you told me to read that says we are raised by the Lich King? Or how about how you said that there IS still a Lich King and told me to go see what Bolvars title is… and its Highlord Bolvar Fordragon. You told me to go to Acherus and look at the Necromancers and Instructor Razuvious that arent there and Razuvious is no more because he was killed in Naxx. There are no necromancers in Acherus.
No its not. Just like you tried to say The Forsaken are undead humans, but they arent. Its a faction because there are undead elves and leper gnomes in it as well.
Darkfallen used to just be the San’layn, thats all it refered too. It has expanded to be a word like mammal. San’layn has evolved to be a specific thing, vampiric undead blood elves. San’layn is the race while Darkfallen is the classification of elf. Thats it.
You want to insult my intelligence all the damn time and YOU CANT EVEN UNDERSTAND SOMETHING SO SIMPLE.
You are just confusing yourself, you are going on ignore too because you have done absolutely nothing but annoy me more than the cough I have. You did your little armchair psychology nonsense that you were also called out on, tried to say “it wasnt about you” which is a just not true along with all the other untrue nonsense you have been spewing.
Nope it’s known, documented and fully established lore that you clearly don’t have a clue about because you make statements with no actual lore to back them up.
The Forsaken is actually both a race and a faction that is established through the lore.
Here is the lore that backs up why I am correct and you’re flat out wrong:
In chapter 10 of the Warcraft Novel Stormrage it has passages that refer directly to a race of undead called the Forsaken - Note this book clearly states Race called Forsaken
In the World of Warcraft: Ultimate Visual Guide which is an official Warcraft timeline book of events, locations, and characters that have made up the game since its release making this book a solid LORE reference point. On page 17 of this book they have the Warcraft Race known as Forsaken Undead depicted and it’s captioned as this directly. - So once again we have the a lore book saying Forsaken is a Race.
I have the lore to back up my statements that it’s a race so yeah you’re wrong stop trying to make yourself look like you have a clue because you don’t so don’t let the door hit you on the way out.