Death Knight sword in the Waking Shores

Once again this is not the actual case you are making an assumption that the Helm of Domination was the basis from which a Lich King was created. That is totally incorrect… time for a little history lesson…

To clear all this up you need to actually understand who, how and what was the actual first Lich King that appeared on Azeroth as this is the key piece of the whole puzzle that you seem to be missing for some reason…

You need to understand that there is an entity that is called the The Lich King and they are very different to Lich King Death Knights - such as Arthas and Bolvar.

The Lich King - Was a Spirit that was encased in a ice tomb so lacked an actual corporeal body

When Ner’zhul attempted to escape Draenor, he was immediately apprehended by the demon lord Kil’jaeden. Kil’jaeden tore the old shaman’s body apart, but kept his spirit intact and aware. Ner’zhul begged for death, but Kil’jaeden said he still had a purpose to serve. He offered Ner’zhul one last chance to serve the Burning Legion or face eternal torment. When the orc recklessly agreed, Kil’jaeden encased his spirit in a block of diamond-hard ice from the distant reaches of the Twisting Nether. Encased within the frozen cask and warped by the demon lord’s chaotic powers, Ner’zhul felt his consciousness expand ten thousand-fold and he became a spectral being of unfathomable power: the Lich King. The new being was sent to Azeroth with the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne merged with his icy tomb.
This spirit encased in that ice tomb was sent to Azeroth through the Great Dark Beyond, landing in Northrend directly ON TOP of ICECROWN CITADEL where the ice tomb that housed the spirit actually transmuted into the shape of a throne - I.E THE FROZEN THRONE IS THE INDESTRUCTIBLE VESSEL THAT HOUSES THE SPIRIT OF NER’ZHUL THE OG LICH KING .
Note: This is the reason the actual Frozen Throne is on top of Icecrown and not located in some throne room it is the impact site where the ice tomb impacted with no way to move to another location etc… This is a something that I think many players don’t actually know or just haven’t understood what transpired etc.

How did a spirit entombed in a frozen thrown acquire the Helm of Domination along with Frostmourne and how did Arthas come across Frostmourne?

The nathrezim who pretended to serve the Burning Legion bore the two vessels of Domination across the vei and bound the spirit of the Lich King Ner’zhul to them. The helm, and Ner’zhul’s spirit, were both sealed within the Frozen Throne from which the Lich King would control the Scourge telepathically. Frostmourne was originally also sealed inside the Frozen Throne, but Ner’zhul cast it from the throne so that it would eventually find its way to Arthas Menethil.

Okay so basically you have what essentially constitutes to an indestructible immortal spirit in the form of an spirit entombed inside a Frozen Throne made from the Twisting Nether making it much the same as Saronite unbreakable even though it supposedly is Ice it isn’t normal Ice by any means.

Arthas actually became a DEATH KNIGHT first and served under The Lich King Ner’zhul

Prince Arthas himself fell prey to the Lich King’s tremendous power. Believing that it would help him save his people, Arthas took up the cursed runeblade, Frostmourne. Though the sword did grant him great power, the cost was high: Muradin lay dead (or so Arthas believed), and Arthas began to lose his soul, transformed into the first and greatest of the Lich King Ner’zhul’s death knights

So Arthas was turned in to a Death Knight when he picked up Frostmourne however, it wasn’t Frostmourne that did that it was The Lich King Ner’zhul. Ner’zhul was able to use the fact that part of his spirit to Frostmourne and this enabled him to use the sword as a conduit through which he could twist the soul of Arthas through necromancy to make him and Undead Death Knight… This is important to know because it makes Arthas unique as he was never a corpse that was risen through Dark Rebirth to become a Death Knight. Instead he was transformed in to a Death Knight while he was ALIVE…just take a moment to soak that in…

How did Arthas and in turn Bolvar become the Lich King?
So many wrongly think that it is the Helm of Domination that was the catalyst that made them both become The Lich King. Sure the Helm just like Frostmourne has part of Ner’Zhul’s spirit bound to each of them providing him the ability to use them as conduits through which he can influence and modify things just like he did when he made Arthas an undead Death Knight.
However, the way that both Arthas and Bolvar became the Lich King was to actually merge their souls with the spirit of Ner’Zhul who is the actual Lich King…i.e. you can’t be The Lich King without Ner’zhul spiritually merging and what is it that holds the actual spirit of Ner’Zhul… THE FROZEN THRONE…
Now lets look at the order of things that both Artha and Bolvar did when they became the Lich King?

  1. They sat on the FROZEN THRONE providing the direct connection between them and Ner’zhul to merge their spirits.

  2. They put on the Helm of Domination and as they do they are entombed in the FROZEN THRONE… i.e. their physical and spiritual bodies are entombed with the spirit of Ner’zhul and a battle of wills starts between them and Ner’zhul i.e. their spirits are already merged and it happened when they sat on the Frozen Throne initially however, Ner’zhul requires the Helm of Domination to provide the conduit through which he can communicate and attempt to influence control etc. Though Arthas actually made a bargain with Ner’zhul giving each something like a 50% share preventing either from taking full control over the other. It is possible that Bolvar might have done something similar but it isn’t something that we know we just know that Bolvar seems to clearly have greater control.

Bolvar is not the same as other Death Knight and isn’t even the same type of undead
As I have mentioned Dark Rebirth is the process by which a corpse is risen and transformed in to an undead Death Knight but this wasn’t the process the Bolvar went through.
Bolvar was killed by the Forsaken Blight during the events that transpired at the Battle of Angrathar the Wrathgate. He was then actually reanimated by the flames of rebirth by the red dragons and this meant that his undead body was charred beyond recognition and it provided him with a connection to Fire as well as Ice based abilities and powers…
Essentially the only reason Bolvar has access to Death Knight powers is due to his merging with Ner’zhul and it is Ner’zhul that provides Bolvar with the means to use Death Knight powers as Bolvar wasn’t a Death Knight after his reanimation/transformation in to an undead.

I am hoping that helps a little to see that there is and always will be a LICH KING because Ner’zhul will always be entombed inside the FROZEN THRONE. However, without access to the items his spirit has a binding connection he lacks any conduits to make use of however, there is the source conduit which remains i.e the Frozen Throne.

Hopefully that helps to clear things up the Frozen Throne isn’t just a ice seat on the top of Icecrown it is actually something very different it’s the vessel in which the actual LICH KING is entombed.

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No, im saying the lore was changed and the cinematic for SL changed EVERYTHING. With SL there is no more LK.

He was put into the armor and Frostmourne, then sent to azeroth and put into the Frozen Throne.

Ner’zhul was placed in the armor. I went through it with WC3. I still have The Frozen Throne CD somewhere along with Blizzard sources saying he was placed in the armor along with Frostmourne, and that was placed within the Frozen Throne.

Arthas combined with Ner’zhul, Blizzard even stating that Arthas took over at the very least, and at worst killing Ner’zhul.

So why werent anyone else at that battle revived from the flames of life? Saurfang was right there with Bolvar as were many Alliance and Horde soldiers there as well. Bolvar wasnt actually dead. Almost dead, but not dead and it was the Blight, the light (that was keeping him alive) and the flames of the red dragonflight that turned him into what we seen in ICC. If the flames of life revive people then there should have been more than only Bolvar.

The LK however is gone. The last remnant of Ner’zhul was destroyed in SL, Bolvar lost the LK powers when the Helm was removed because it was retconned to be a conduit connected to the Jailer which is where the power was coming from, Arthas just went poofed away. The LK has been ruined because these new writers wanted to destroy what the old devs created.

I am not sure but I think you’re missing the point that the Ebon Blade have been capable of making Death Knights through the Necromancers inside Archeus from the very beginning; the only prerequisite is a supply of corpses which these necromancers can use as source material to create new Death Knights.

So while Death Knights had some remaining connections with Lich King it wasn’t one which really had any direct impact on the current Death Knights. So the Lich King could be completely removed/dead and you’d still have Death Knights being able to be created. I suppose a good example I could give that might be viewed as similar would be DemonHunters and their connection with Illidan…Do they have some remaining elements and connection with Illidan? - YES… Is it something that would impact their creation or ability to use their abilities if Illidan was absent/died or unavailable? - No…

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And this isnt happening. Not really worth the conversation.

So when did blizzard change the whole player character creation system to prevent the ability for them to create a Death Knight as a new character, because this is what they have done basically according to you… Clearly they haven’t and players can still create NEW Death Knight Characters in the game now right??? You know what that means??? NEW DEATH KNIGHTS ARE BEING CREATED AND CAN BE CREATED EVERY DAY…right now with all your supposed issues with the Lich King fiasco…i.e the process to create a Death Knight is a necromancy ritual that can be performed by anyone with the knowledge and ability to perform it…

GUESS WHAT you have in Archeus… oh yeah these Necromancers that are performing the ritual on fresh corpses making Death Knight Acolytes lore wise… What are you missing here… it’s clear and simple to anyone else?

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No its not, thats your interpretation based on… well… absolutely nothing. When you create a DK the DK is created by one of the Lich Kings, not of some necromancers.

You can create a new character that is a Death Knight… but when you do, who is it created by?

Clearing this is just not sinking in is it…
YOU NEED TO GO to Acherus: The Ebon Hold and take a look on the second floor… because clearly you are clueless about this when you do this you will come across several Acherus Necromancers and these are humans who were all former members of the Cult of the Damned who have defected to help the Ebon Blade because they have the knowledge and ability to perform the Necromancy Ritual to create Death Knight Initiates from corpses they are provided. The newly raised Death Knight Initiates are then sent to Instructor Razuvious who is right there so that he can ensure these newly raised Death Knight Initiates are correctly inducted into the Ebon Blade and then have the initial basic training…

Necromancers from the Cult of the Damned have been creating various types of undead for the Lich King right back to the original Lich Kings Ner’zhul. In essence this is an actual lore aspect that is in game and has a heap of background about it and they are a source that are capable of creating new Death Knights for a very LONG TIME…

If this isn’t clear enough for you now go look up the Cult fo the Damned and their connection to the Lich King and the various ways in which they assisted the Lich King…and you will come across several instances where Necromancers have actually been the source from which Death Knights were raised to serve the Lich Kings. While the Lich King can raise Death Knights it is clear that they preferred to have others perform this duty because it would have been time consuming and a distraction for them. By having the Cult of the Damned raise the various undead for the Lich Kings army it allowed the actual Lich King the freedom to focus on other more important things…

Cast Deaths Gate and go the Acherus and take a look on the second floor it’s right there in plain sight… I just can’t dumb this down anymore…

I have been there. Answer my question. When you go to create new character, select Death Knight, give it a name and select create… What happens? What is said?

I think you should go read this:

The player DK first enters the game inside Acherus at the location of those Necromancers…i.e you had just been raised by them in to Undeath as a new Death Knight…and just like all the other Death Knight Initiates you are instructed to go see Instructor Razuvious… i.e it’s exactly what I said previously what the initiates are doing is the same initial step that ALL of the Original Death Knights… Maybe spend some time and read Starting Quest Walkthrough because it does SPELL it out…

Acherus: The Ebon Hold

The Lich King

  • Your first quest as a Death Knight is In Service Of The Lich King], in which The Lich King requests that you report to Instructor Razuvious.

Not the same class, just shared the same name.*
*Citation: World of Warcraft: Chronicle.

Before you Contrarian™ about names meaning they must be the same thing always every time:
Voidlord: DEMON Warlock pet race.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Voidlord

VOID LORD: Most powerful entities of the Void.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Void_lord

You told me to go to Acherus… im here now… where is the instructor? Where are all the necromancers raising death knights? Nothing there buddy.

And how about you answer my question. WHAT DOES IT SAY?!

Duh

Im not you troll.

Nope you told me to answer your question about what happen when a new death knight character was created… with your below question.

So I answered you by providing the link and then told you the answers to your questions.

So I answered your questions correctly as asked by you, I can’t help it if you’re unable to understand the very basic and simple difference between a character that is NEW vs one that isn’t… maybe you should take the time and read the walkthrough I linked before coming back with a reply because you just made yourself look foolish.

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Link Provided to a Image of Instructor for you below. You also need to grasp that Acherus does change a lot through the Death Knight and Warcraft Campaign however, the key point to understand is the point about the CULT OF THE DAMNED Necromancers being able to create any type of undead soldier needed to fill the Lick King Ranks…which also included Death Knights…
Many of these DEFECTED and aligned themselves with the Ebon Blade to provide them with the ability to CREATE NEW Death Knights… Those Necromancers are still around and still aligned with the Ebon Blade just because you can’t see them doesn’t mean they aren’t around somewhere else… hell they could be helping one of the Ebon Hold Horseman clean out their stalls for all we know but, it doesn’t remove the fact that they are Human Necromancers who can create various undead which includes Death Knights

https://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/wotlk/ingameshots/ebonhold/ebonhold_02.jpg
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You cant explain it? You had to go to some link?

No you didnt.

What?

What is that going to accomplish? Ive actually done it. If you have done it then you should be able to know and explain what is said when you create a death knight.

You told me to

Did that.

They arent there. On any floor. You dont actually play a Death Knight do you? And Instructor Razuvious is dead, and not that “haha hes undead!” no… hes dead dead. He was killed in Naxx. There are no cult of the damned necromancers, no instructor… nothing.

So no, the Ebon Blade are not creating Death Knights, no new Death Knights are being made by them and all this is is a non DK player (you) talking a bunch of nonsense.

I provided the link but I explained it below the link see quote below so it just seems you wanted to once again look foolish.

So based on your question you asked I answered it based on the specifics you asked…specifically in relation to a new character which in the context of your question it was answered correctly…

I suggest you spend more time researching than replying like you are because you’re backpedalling trying to add things in that weren’t in relation to the specific question you asked to try and recover from your own incompetence.

Might I suggest the following website as a good starting point for you to begin gaining a better understanding…
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/

So what?

The only one that looks foolish is you.

You arent, you are right next to the LK.

By the Lich King.

Except the player character isnt an Initiate, its a Death Knight.

Who is dead.

Leaving out information because you dont play a DK is the issue. The LK bestows his powers to the DK, if he isnt the one raising a DK directly, he is the final step in the creation of one.

A quest walkthrough just tells you what to do, it doesnt spell anything out which is quite evident here with you missing a whole piece of the puzzle, saying others are foolish thinking the necromancers were creating Death Knights and the LK isnt needed at all.

So no, you are wrong. In order to have a Death Knight you need the LK, there are no more LK’s out there so no more Death Knights. Who is looking foolish now? Hmm? Might it be someone called Imoedae that doesnt even play a DK nor have they created one?

Thats something you should do.

I havent backpedalled at all.

You didnt answer the question and I didnt add anything into my question at all.

Quite rich coming from you that didnt listen to the what was said during the creation of a DK.

Might I suggest just going to play the damn game?

Oh and just to add a little more to you looking like the fool here. The LK says

“All that I am: anger, cruelty, vengeance - I betstow upon you, my chosen knight. I have granted you immortality so that you may herald in a new, dark age for the Scourge.”

So the LK is integral to the formation of a DK.

Seriously??? you think just because he says that he’s integral and required because he is the one who creates you…sorry but no… What is this akin to something like what a leader of a church might say in the process of bestowing a Knighthood on a Warrior and being from the church it makes them a Holy Knight i.e. a Paladin or a Knights Templar.
The Lich King didn’t make all the Undead NO he didn’t however, he was able to manipulate and control them and with the helm it gave a much greater level of control.
Consider this like the Pantheon of the titans saying they created everything…they didn’t but that’s what they manipulated and controlled information to manipulate everyone to go along with it…i.e. this is a Line the Lich King is using to assert CONTROL over the Death Knight and have them all follow the program through concealing the truth and lying… This is a thing that happens time and again in the Warcraft storyline and campaigns just accept the truth… THE LICH KING LIED TO YOU…

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Yes.

Why else put it in?

Sorry, but yes.

No its not.

Never said he did, dont know why you brought that up like I said it other than you are getting desperate.

It was implying that undead can be created without the Lich King…and a Death Knight is a form of Undead hence can be created with the right rituals and magics without a Lich King JUST LIKE THOSE OTHER UNDEAD… but you lack the ability to grasp that simple concept…The knowledge to create a Death Knight was around long before the Lich King but that knowledge was not known on Azeroth until Kil’jaeden the Deceiver created the first Lich King using the soul of Ner’zhul so who do you think knew the process and rituals to create any type of undead including Death Knights and ensured Ner’zhul knew as well.
In addition clearly there is a process to turn someone that is alive in to an undead entity…why? this is what happened to Arthas to make him a Death Knight… He was alive and became undead meaning that there is more than one way to make Death Knights you don’t need to have dead corpses there is a way to do it using a living vessel as well.

The point I am making is a simple one Death Knights aren’t a creation of the Lich King whatsoever because it is very clear that beings like Kil’jaeden the Deceiver knew how long before there was any Death Knights on Azeroth…
You clearly can’t see the bigger cosmic picture because you’re too caught up thinking that a egotistical power hungry tyrant that was warped and twisted by a master manipulator and deceiver ensuring they got what they needed (Kil’jaeden if I needed to spell it out again) and you think that warped manipulated individual isn’t going to use the same tactics that was used on them to further their own personal agenda on those around them…they sure as hell will…i.e. Lich King Arthas lies and manipulates the truth to control his powerful minions (Death Knights)…and just like Kil’jaeden believed he would be able to control Arthas… Arthas believed his lies about Death Knight creation etc would ensure he had control over his Death Knights. You know what happened in both cases…it backfired and their own creations turned on them.

Seriously wake up

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And?

No it cant.

Not all undead are the same and are created in different ways.

They literally are or else Death Knights themselves could raise an army of Death Knights themselves. But even when we raised the 4 horsemen it was with who? Oh… thats right… The Lich King.

Grow up. The LK is integral to creating death knights.