How is 2h ruining it for you?
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How is it not? Lets make these abilities the best for 2h, and they are the most used abilities within the spec.
So what does DW get? And why should someone advocating for 2h tell a DW player what DW should have? I think DW should hit just as hard as 2h, and have more KM procs, as it always has.
I mean I donât think two of the subspecs having different strengths in different applications are a bad thing.
Right now, Iâm mainly DW because it scales with Remorseless Winter as I believe itâs the strongest ability for Frost Dk currently in PvE content.
ST, Obliterate is ahead in DW than RW because well⊠ST. Plus Obliterate has a natural scaling with FC.
Cleave, RW will be ahead. Guaranteed.
I am saying that the option of going 2h shouldnât really be an issue that ruins the spec. Rather, an option that empowers that such said application. Because I donât think RW would ever scale as strong as 2H than DW ever will be.
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I think the subspecs having different strengths is absolutely a bad thing. It has in the past and it is now. If it didnt then 2h wouldnt have MotFW at all with DW getting absolutely nothing which means its a band-aid for the weapon to even work in the spec, and people wouldnt be asking for more band-aids.
Its detrimental and if people dont like the spec, go play another one. There are 24 specs and people cant find one 2h str based spec they like that they have to keep trying to change a DW spec, the only 1h str based DW spec in the entire game?
No, not going to have it.
Suffice to say, I suppose we can end our conversation here.
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Well, it is. Its the main reason why 2h was removed in the first place.
It was removed because they didnât want to bother balancing the two. You continue to spout revisionist drabble to support any argument you have.
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And why didnt they want to bother balancing the 2? Maybe because it was an impossibility? Not to mention I said they couldnt balance the 2 about 500 times in the past and they still cant do it now.
You could always come back with âthey didnt even try they could haveâ. Ok, since you know it could be done, HOW?! Not a single person who has spouted this idiotic line has ever suggested how they could have balanced the 2 back in WoD. It couldnt be done, so 2h was axed BECAUSE ITS A DW SPEC.
Not this again⊠How do you imagine they couldâve kept both in the game with the Legion artifact system?
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The Legion Artifact system takes care of the weapon slot, you have no other options for a weapon, they could have kept 2h in for the entire rest of the game. Thinking that they had to remove something in order for the Legion Artifact system to work is just asinine.
They just couldnt keep the split in the spec which there shouldnt be one in the first place. Wow, so hard to imagine.
The same way theyâre balancing them now? Are you always this daft?
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So then they are balanced? Nothing needs to be added to 2h at all. Great then tell the people asking for stuff for 2h exclusively to shut up.
Must be nice for you that the forums arenât very moderated. You always keep arguing in bad faith whenever I see posts from you.
- They have introduced tuning knobs in Shadowlands for 2H vs DW that allow them to balance them. If they wanted to, they could simply buff MoTFW.
- They introduce new systems which benefit the builds in different ways, tuning them indirectly.
- 9.2 systems benefit 2H more than DW, making it even more viable than it already is.
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There is no exclusive DW tuning knob. Thats a flat out lie and you want to say I am arguing in bad faith. If buff up anything for DW it also buffs 2h. So no, there arent 2h and DW tuning knobs just one that is an Obliterate steriod because people wanting to play 2h have a shallow view of what the spec is.
The tier set also benefits DW. There is nothing about the set that does one thing better for 2h than DW, in fact DW has an easier time of keeping RI on the target and even then it still falls off because you can absolutely get 15 sec of no KM procs which allows RI to fall off. People are even saying you still might want to run RI with a 2h because it falls off so much with the tier set. Thats on the PTR forums by the way.
Even you have 2 different narratives. On this forum its everything is great, on the PTR forums you are pointing out all these flaws the set has with 2h. So which is it?
This is simply wrong. Simply reduce the power of MoTFW and you buff DW vs 2H.
Getting an extra runeforge for 2H is far better than for DW.
People are wrongâŠ
Saying the tier set drops Razorice with 2H isnât the same as saying itâs not powerful. Even when it drops the stacks it has high uptime on average. I also didnât run an optimised build in raid testing, I imagine more haste and crit could be optimal, giving you a higher average uptime.
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No, thats not buffing DW, thats nerfing 2h.
You get another 5% primary for DW, not to mention as I said others on the PTR are saying you might still want to use RI because RI still falls off the targets while using a 2h. It even happens when you use DW as well.
You are people, so it must apply to you too.
Did I say you said its not powerful? No I didnt, talk about arguing in bad faith. I said you said on these forums your narrative is âeverything is greatâ which means its fine, yay⊠but then on the ptr you are listing the flaws of it, something you arent doing here. You are trying to push a narrative here about the tier set and 2h using things like poggers and so on to hype people up for it. But its a completely different story in the PTR forums.
In fact you arent even giving the full story here since you arent saying what stack is normal to get. Is it 2 stacks and its falling off, you still have the buff so the uptime could be high. Are you having high uptime with 5 stacks? 1 stack? The information is lacking and you expect people to take you seriously when you are just a hype machine.
Youâd just buff frost as a whole and then nerf MoTFW. DW buffed and 2H the sameâŠ
You might be thinking about gargoyle runeforge, itâs 2H only. They should change that though.
You must be misunderstanding me then. I think of myself as objective and realistic. I do quite dislike doom-calling that tends to happen tho.
To clarify, I generally talk about 5-stack uptime. Itâs a distribution though of course. You will always reach 5 stacks in your Obliteration window, then itâs a matter of how long you keep those stacks on average before your next Obliteration window.
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So you are still touching 2h, buff DW without touching 2h⊠YOU CANT DO IT.
No. Im not thinking about Gargoyle Runeforge. I was talking about Celestial Guidance that I read wrong because I have dyslexia.
Also, no they shouldnt change gargoyle runeforge.
You arent objective and realistic. You are putting this hype narrative here and saying someone who is pointing out flaws wrong or arguing in bad faith. If something is garbage THEN CALL IT GARBAGE. Where is the issue with that?
You arent always going to be able to open with Obliteration, you just arent. Yeah, you can get 5 stacks with Obliteration. Then you move to another pack without Obliteration, you have to rely on crit chance and the 2 set. Or what about a boss where you have to get off the boss go somewhere else. Attack something different, almost every single fight in the raid has something like that where you have to get off the target. Gotta get off boss to attack this crystal, gotta swap to this add, then run over to this other add (possibly), you are going to be at low stacks with that. The quicker people kill the worse the set becomes because RI just doesnt get stacked up. The less time you also have to increase the duration of RW so less crit chance, less crit chance means less KM procs, which means even less chance to stack RI.
Its not a good set outside of long fights with high uptime. Unholy isnt a good set either outside of execute and even then people are pointing at issues with taking Soul Reaper as a talent because the set and the talent dont work well with each other.
This doesnt take genius levels of IQ to work out here. Its not poggers, its not game changing, its boring with some extra damage on it. WOW.
Each and every single post you make on these forums is nothing more than hyperbole. You can never provide an ounce of support for your arguments, and every single thing you say and argue is anecdotal drivel at best.
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Dude the post was about dk as class and you managed to turn it on a debate if frost should be played 2h or dw. You are just obnoxious
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