So Lich King just had to raise the plot armor man to battle then. Game over.
Thereâs not really gonna be an answer other than people repeating that they just donât tend to include armies unless the âcombatantsâ have very little to them beyond the fact that they command armies.
I imagine part of it is that it makes for a cooler fight scene to have 2 epic characters battle it out, and the fight animations are the best part of Death Battle.
I canât imagine most people take the analysis all that seriously.
I listened to another video describe his fictional biography. Basically, he waged war against mankind for like 10,00 years until he pissed off âGodâ and so âGodâ conjured a tropical storm that drown him to death (apparently he canât swim?). However, his magical ring, which he had forged as part of one of his other plots, reanimated his corpse and kept him bound to the world. Once his ring was cut off his undead body, nothing kept him tethered to his own body and so he âdiedâ. Part of his evil was left intact, but when they destroyed the ring he was defeated for good.
Theyâre using the full power version of him in this before he died in this.
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I guess it was alright then. The graphics were kind of bad for so many subscribers and I am dissatisfied that Leeroy Jenkins didnât show up to battle Sauron at some point in the vid. Other than that, itâs cool that they pinned them both against each other.
It does beg the question though, doesnât it? If Sauron canât swim and/or needs air to breath, couldnât Arthas just drown him in a snowstorm? Freeze the air in his lungs so he couldnât breath?
That lore-fact, about drowning to death, just seems so goofy to me. Itâs like Galakrond being killed by a boulder being stuffed in his throat, lol.
I guess Tolkien, as inspired as his imagination was, still viewed the sea as something inherently primordial, that even the greatest of evils can simply drown at seas like any ordinary chump. It is humorous of course when you consider Arthas can walk on water by freezing the sea.
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I feel like he would of lost due to those reasons then if Rings of Power never came out.
Sauron didnât die from drowning. He didnât die at all.
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So heâs immortal like a god and can never be killed. Sounds like a mismatch that had no real chance. I donât know what the point of pinning these two against each other was then if the outcome was always going to be the same in the end.
The Valar feared that this host could wreak havoc in Valinor, but they were forbidden from killing or otherwise using force against Men. ManwĂ«, chief of the Valar, thus called upon IlĂșvatar, who opened a massive chasm in the sea between NĂșmenor and Aman that swallowed the Great Armament of Ar-PharazĂŽn. And the king himself, along with his host that had landed on Aman, was âburied under falling hillsâ, and would remain in the Caves of the Forgotten until the Dagor Dagorath. NĂșmenor was drowned by a great wave and sank into the abyss, killing its inhabitants, including the body of Sauron, which robbed him his ability to assume fair forms ever after. IlĂșvatar broke and changed the world, changing Ardaâs shape from flat to round and taking Aman and Tol EressĂ«a from the world forever, so that no mortal sailor could reach the True West again.
Damn though. The video I watched paraphrased it as âhe drown at seaâ.
âGodâ unleashing a Biblical style flood to straight up sink his island and turning the world of Middle Earth from a flat disc to a sphere (???) is nuts.
He definitely drown though. Sounds like he drown and he was a broken husk after that, and once the ring left his finger that husk was useless.
Nah he ainât immortal, we literally know he was defeated in Lord of the Rings.
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The Lich King would absolutely lose to Sauron. I would bet money on it I am so sure about it.
Arthas is mortal and Sauron is not. So as long as the ring remains intact Sauron will just come back. We killed Arthas. At the end of Lord of the Rings Sauron is still alive. Greatly weakened yes, but still alive.
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Arthas defeated us.
Arthas was defeated by Deux Ex Machina. The literal intervention of the Light. I wouldnât say that is much different from being struck down by IlĂșvatar.
In the canon of WoW entities like Elune can destroy entire armies. The Holy Light shining down and giving Tirion the strength to shatter Frostmourne (complete and utter Deus Ex Machina especially given what we now know about Runeforged items) completely tipped the scales away.
Tirion could not defeat the likes of the Lich King without said intervention. And Tirion, without the Lightâs protection, can be killed by a bog-standard demon like Krosus. The Light defeated Arthas, NOT Tirion, and NOT the player character.
Meanwhile, I have no problem saying we, the player characters, could easily defeat Sauron. His corruption is pretty sad compared to the likes of Domination or Void-corruption, and his powers are pretty mid if weâre being honest. Oh, he can turn into a Vampire or a Werewolf, so scary.
Still though you have to fight to the death agaisnt something that literally cannot die. Arthas loses just on technicality alone.
We can argue for hours, but at the end of the story Sauron is still alive. And if we go even further to the Dagor Dagorath when Morgoth comes back he will have brought back Sauron. Though thatâs not cannon. Cool as heck, but not cannon.
I just donât see why the Lich King couldnât have removed Sauronâs ring if a mere mortal man did.
Imagine if it was shape shifter First Age Sauron. That would be a way cooler fight.
Iâm positive they used his full-power version, since Corpse-Sauron couldnât shape-shift and we saw in the video he turned into a Werewolf (laughable by the way, as if Arthas hadnât faced a Son of Arugal before). His full power version wasnât dependent on the ring to sustain his existence.
I mean⊠thatâs silly. You think you canât defeat something that canât die? You just capture it. If Lich King broke Sauronâs mortal body the way Illuvatar did and then ejected his spirit from his corporeal form, he could just capture him in Frostmourne.
Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit. Frostmourne is literally designed as an anti-spirit weapon. It should be capable of cutting into the spirit of Sauron if he took on a non-corporeal form
We saw him Worg out in the video very briefly.
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Very true I surprisingly forgot Frostmourne could do that. Itâs been like 10 years. But I still think Sauron has an edge if were talking army to army. Sure in a one on one fight Arthas has the edge, but I still think Lotr movie Sauron smacking whole legions of dudes like swatting flies. I just see him as a bigger threat overall. The zombies stop with a new Lich King, but Orcs and Trolls are forever lol. Sorry I made a diamons are forever joke.
More a defense of Arthas than of Tirion, but itâs also important to understand that Tirion was defeated by Krosus, a raid-boss, while aided by GulâDan, and only died after being tortured and dunked in Fel-aid for several weeks before the Paladins could mount a rescue operation.
And even then he survived and only perished of his wounds after being rescued.
I guess you could say that that puts Arthas several orders of magnitude deadlier than the Burning Legion considering he was capable of one-shotting Tirion without genuinely trying, as evidenced by him casually wiping the Champions of Azeroth once he decided they were strong enough to be his Champions.
If weâre talking an Army-Army fight between Sauron and Arthas the important question is whether or not Sauronâs ability to dominate the will allows him to control the Undead.
If it does, Sauron wins.
If it does not, Arthas wins.
An Army capable of reanimating the slain even when theyâre nothing but bones cannot be defeated by an Army incapable of completely obliterating the bones of the fallen en masse.
If itâs a 1 on 1 fight between them Iâm leaning towards Arthas. Tolkienâs magic is powerful, but subtle. WoWâs magic isnât subtle, and is significantly more powerful in itâs practical battlefield applications which is what is going to carry the day.
Not really.
Thatâs where that whole âThere must always be a Lich Kingâ thing comes from.
Which is super dumb by the way. I hate Danuserâs lore but getting rid of âAlways must be a Lich Kingâ is completely fine in my book. The idea that the Scourge was completely unbeatable and had to be controlled by Bolvar to keep them in check was super dumb. You know the only reason they did that was because Wrath was killing it and they wanted to leave the door open for Wrath of the Lich King 2.
Like, really, youâre supposed to tell me that the Scourge was more powerful than the Legion? No shot, NO SHOT. The Scourge could wipe out all life on Azeroth, but the Legion failed three times? No shot.
I mean, thereâs a reason the Legion sent the Scourge to AzerothâŠ
Well going off what we got in Rings of Power, my money is on Lich King.
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