Halbrand slight of hands the Helm of Domination off of Arthas like a nat 20 d&d roll.
No, but for real Rings of Power sucked. Adar was the only thing I remotely liked.
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Iâm betting the second that contract is up the Tolkien estate is going to declare it non-canon.
That was⌠just an absolute mess of story-telling. Youâd think that for a Billion Dollars they could produce show-writers who were interested in actually making money.
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Wait which Lich King are we getting? If itâs Bolvar it might be a fair fight
Unless they send Galadriel. My boy canât handle elves.
The Scourge was meant to destabilize Azeroth to pave the way for the Legionâs invasion. Why would Lord Archimonde feel the need to even join the fray if the Scourge could win the war by themselves? Itâs just nonsense.
I do understand that the Legion did fear the Scourge to some degree and wanted to keep a tight leash on their experiment, but not to the extent that the Scourge could turn around and completely wipe them out. No shot.
I like the Lich King lore overall and the concept of the Scourge but I donât believe for a second they made a realistic case for why we were supposed to believe the Scourge, âif left uncheckedâ, would just wash over the world. A disorganized horde of ghouls, gargoyles, freed nerubians, and so forth are just going to wipe out all life? I donât believe it. No way. The plague of undeath was scary until we were inoculated against it, and after that, a horde of ghouls is in no way more fierce than a felguard and fel hunters.
How are Ghouls even going to make their way to Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdoms without the direction of the Lich King to transport them via Necropolii? There were definitely NOT enough forces left in the Plaguelands to completely make their way across the content. I just donât buy it at all.
I think Shadowlands pre-patch presents a much better picture. Some outbreaks here and there, and then most of the battle around Icecrown where the Scourge was more or less still in tact. Of course, that conflicts with the lore they present during the Kyrian campaign⌠but yeah, Shadowlands lore is kind of a conflicted mess in general.
Bolvar isnât the Lich King.
Bolvar is the Lich Regent. 
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The Lich Jester
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Meh. Whoever wins a bunch of loot-crazed murder hobos will take 'em down. Unless itâs against Kirby. Then weâre all doomed.
I have mixed feelings. Bolvar Lich King was âwastedâ in a sense, but he was also kind of cheesy and I doubt Metzen had any real idea what the plan was. It was like Rian Johnson following on the heels of Abrams⌠Rian Johnson and Danuser are both hacks, but Abrams didnât really have any plan in place and so you canât really get that mad that the mystery box amounted to nothing.
On that note, I hate that this was a Death Knight expansion and Death Knights basically did nothing. No Death Knight exclusive narrative elements? Nothing about the Ebon Blade or the Four Horseman? Bolvar just gives up being the Lich King and the Ebon Blade kind of just⌠do nothing? UGH.
Youâre telling me in an expansion with the origins of Frostmourne, the Death Knight doesnât forge a powerful âKnightsmourneâ blade?
#DanuserIsAHack
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The Scourge was mostly sent to Azeroth to break their defenses just long enough for the Legion to be able to get a foothold without the stubborn inhabitants hunting and shutting down their demonic portals like they had a habit of doing.
Other than that I have to agree with Senteza: The Scourge if left unchecked never gave us any reason to believe would wipe out all life on Azeroth. Especially not after the forces of the Alliance and Horde rampaged across Northrend and wiped out a good chunk of their forces.
As for the Legion, Sargeras alone could cleave planets in half. He just had issues physically getting to Azeroth as it required summoning him.
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Archimondeâs defining trait has always been his arrogance.
The Scourge as a power was probably something the Legion didnât fully understand. Raised with enough care and power an individual would be as powerful or even more powerful than they were in life.
Also keep in mind that the Legionâs primary weapon against planets hasnât been having necessarily smarter leaders, stronger warriors, or better weapons, but simple numbers. They have an infinite army of respawning Demons who learn and adapt. A lot of the Legion Artifact stories speak of worlds who defied the Legion for generations, defeating invasion after invasion and army after army until the Legion was able to either infiltrate and corrupt them, or simply wear them down until there was nothing left to fight back.
The problem is that the Scourge takes away the Legionâs greatest weapons: Infinite Numbers that wear down a foe over time, and the ability to corrupt their foes into betrayal.
The issue with this is that at the time this happened the dead significantly outnumbered the living, but were being held back because Arthas wanted to more efficiently destroy the living and also to attain the power of stronger champions to lead his armies.
Lordaeron and QuelâThalas were the single most heavily populated realms of the Eastern Kingdoms and almost their entire populations were converted to the Scourge.
You also have an unknown number of residents of Kalimdor that were converted as well, the majority of the Nerubian Empire, the Frost Trolls, etc. etc.
Also remember that from Warcraft 3 the Plague spread on contact with the Scourge, so that those killed by the Scourge would be raised into the Scourge. So even without a Necromancer directing them feral Ghouls and Zombies would be able to rampage and increase their numbers unless destroyed by an organized force, of which the majority of the major militaries were in Northrend at the time.
Now, what WoW fails to do is show how the Argent Crusade was supposedly actively hunting and tracking groups of feral undead on the Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor in the interim in order to reduce and remove that threat while Bolvar focused on keeping the Scourge as immobile as possible.
Stratholme, at the time of the Wrath Expansion, was still largely Scourge-held.
QuelâThalas was still a zombie-infested Wasteland.
Tyrâs Hand had been obliterated and converted to the Scourge.
The Forsaken and what was left of the Scarlet Crusade held parts of Tirisfal but there were still large groups of Scourge roaming about.
With Azerothâs Armies primarily in Northrend there wouldnât be anything to stop roaming packs of feral undead from overwhelming what was left in the Northern end of the Eastern Kingdoms, and eventually moving south.
As for crossing the Oceans⌠Thereâs a lot of wildlife in Azerothâs Oceans. And undead donât actually need to breathe:
Can you imagine undead Murlocs, Naga, and Sea Giants?
Quite the stomp I expected. Kind of sad to not see LK kill and then raise the opposing army to show off his necromantic powers and what a viable threat that tactic could be, but alas. Deathbattle really tends to over-emphasize the value of age and experience without ever really considering that there likely is not a huge amount of learning and growing with 50k years over the first 100 or somethingâŚespecially when it comes to martial combat where there would logically be massive amounts of diminishing returns on âmastery of a swingâ or whatnot. As soon as I saw them highlight how old Sauron was, I knew it was going to be a massive advantage.
Overall though it was entertaining enough and they at least let Arthas get some blows in when, logically, heâd likely be snuffed out in seconds to someone who essentially gave God the middle finger.
People need to stop getting angry at the thought of WoW losing. WoW characters arenât made to be immortal deities and if 25 random chumps can take you down (or at least put a major hurting on you), odds are good a being who casually wipes out armies is going to be out of your league. The power of the LK also, as illustrated, is more in his control over undead and abilities to raise armiesâŚBolvar got chumped hard by an undead ranger who has a habit of powersliding into blades on his own turf after all.
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This is like pulling a stormtrooper against a space marine and having the storm trooper win.
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Those open-ended rolemaster critical hit tables were brutal. Doesnât matter how much you outleveled your opponent, you were never completely safe.
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The fight reeks of bias. The lich king didnt use his SOUL STEALING BLADE against a spirit? Right.
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They didnât though. The whole final battle was a test. The canon is that the Lich Kings entire plan was to bait you into Northrend. Let you train, and then come after him. You were to be his Champions, to strike down the Lords of the Legion. He may have had countless undead but in order to strike a decisive blow against the Legion he would need you under his command. He defeated you, enthralled you, and if not for the Light intervening you would have done his will.
Definitely a bruh moment.
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Death Battle getting stuff wrong, who wouldâve thought?
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The fight scene was cool.
However, I disagree with the outcome. Their argument that Sauron would be able to shatter Frostmourne with raw power is extremely dubious. It took the Lightâs direct intervention for Tirion to be able to do that, so itâs unlikely that Sauron would be able to.
I also think DB downplayed just how tanky the Lich King is. His armor alone gives him high magic resistance, but they didnât even mention his Death Knight abilities like Anti-Magic Shell/Zone. Furthermore, was anything preventing Arthas from just Death Gripping the Ring off of Sauronâs finger? Or using Dancing Rune Weapon to cut off Sauronâs hand?
Lich King was lowballed hard.
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Yeah, the fight was a good watch. And honestly, when it comes to fight scenes DB does deliver.
ButâŚyou could tell who they already had decided would win based on the trailers. Though gotta give them a hand at âbacking upâ the results with measuring how much power it took to raise a land mass.
And also, even though LK lost, Sauron would still have the ring as a major weakness so the Raid would still occur except a Hobbit, or barefoot gnome with hairy feet, would be the McGuffin that saves everyone.
It was obvious Arthas was going to lose. Even official lore talks about how Arthas was a small fry in the grand scheme of Warcraftâs totempole of bad guys.
That by itself means nothing. Doesnât matter how Arthas compares to Sargeras or a void lord or something, they straight up lowballed him regardless.
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