Dear SOD Team.. The Future of Battlegrounds/PVP

WoW Classic Season of Discovery
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Hey Guys I’m Tello,

I spoke in the past before about changes & always had nothing but good things to say for the dev team & appreciate what they created here for Season of Discovery. The reason for this post today is because I am here on both Alliance & Horde discussions in terms of the future of Battlegrounds & PVP rewards in these last phases or phase. At the current moment I been doing Battlegrounds every night on stream for those who know me, I stream and live in the BGs. I only wish to see things get improved for the entirety of the PVP community when I write this with good intentions. With that being said I think there has been a major problem in Battlegrounds as of lately were simply put… No One Is Doing Them? And this is real problem because a certain part of your game is being cutoff or left behind with no support or incentive to WANT to do them. I think the main problem lies and has always been an issue with certain classes not feeling like the rewards are really good enough to begin with, to even consider chasing them. This might have to do with stats on the gear or maybe not breaking a certain set bonus/etc. Whatever the reason may be, the issue still remains that the PVP rewards are not good choices in the current state of SOD with powerhouse PVE items out here. This is not to say I don’t use some of the PVP pieces because of different builds they work but it’s just not as juicy as something PVP related should be in my opinion. And I think to build off of that is to discuss the following:

  • Player versus Player
    • The (up to) 50% health increase in Battlegrounds has been removed.
    • The global Damage Reduction to spells in PvP has been increased to 50% Physical/60% Magic reductions (was 25% Physical/40% Magic reductions).
      • Developers’ notes: Players should now have 50% more effective health in PvP against both Physical and Magical damage in the open world, and PvP in Battlegrounds should feel unchanged.

I don’t mind flat changes but this doesn’t reflect certain Spell IDs that may tune out better than others or become more noticeable in BGs/Open World regardless of the change, a certain spec of a class or ability no matter what will still outweigh or standout to a player when being hit. I know it’s controversial but in TBC we had resilience gear, not everyone’s favorite thing but for me I enjoyed it in Arenas because it made people chase PVP gear. You had a reason to go for it regardless if people liked it or not, there was reasoning backed behind it… In SOD, that reason as of now is lackluster. I really believe that in the next Phase 8 for the Scarlet Enclave, I would REALLY love to see improved PVP gear for a possible Rank 15/16 update, and I think people would be interested to experience that as well. It’s a test realm after all right? So why not just go crazy with it and see if folks would like this sort of thing come the future of Classic+ down the line for your team to get this information from. The new gear you put in can actually motivate people to chase new items, maybe even a new PVP reputation that’s Scarlet based, new rewards/cosmetics/titles, anything is better than nothing… which we sadly have at this time in the PVP state were in.

I also would like to suggest adding Undermine Reals to the STV Bloodmoon vendor. This would make people’s catchup be an easier time since the events are not popping like they once were phases ago. Just think it would be a nice change since your upping the cap from 150x (250) next phase.

Lastly, The Battlegrounds… I love them & I want to see all of us Alliance & Horde be apart of them. I think World Buffs being so easy to get now has affected them a bit, were if one team has them than it’s just a steamroll to the other side. Maybe look into that a bit and ask the community if they liked that in BGs is something I would consider… On a Real note though, we can’t only have Arathi Basin for another several months with zero support guys… I saw the Unused Files on the web with Small-Battleground-Maps being labeled and put away from other expansions or ideas never used. For example: Snowy Arathi Basin You can skip to 4:05 to see what I mean. Also, Aszhara Crater My friend Kaghoegaming has also talked about possible Hyjal related things that we may see from what we peeped on the PTR. How about a HJyal PVP Battleground? Anything would be amazing and just would be so supporting to your community that grinds on a nightly basis who LOVES this game would appreciate this.

My friend Arkaviun who host’s nightly tournament at STV Gurabashi Arena to create a scene out here that YOU can be doing for us Blizzard. And I really think ya adding more things to do for the PVP community would be awesome!

I just want to leave it at this… I grew up watching this game as a kid, I never had the chance to play WoW until I got older and had money to get my own setup & be apart of this wonderful community regardless of the bad apples in it. I ain’t the best PVP andy, not the best PVE andy, but I sure do love to entertain people and support the game I love. Please consider this Blizzard because the SOD community is there & we want to be heard.

  • Lock In :lock:

Thank you :pray:t2:

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Thanks for posting! PvP community needs to see some love! Undermine Reals in BM would just be a start imo. Reward Reals from BGs as well. Each Flag Cap = 1 Real in WSG, get that BG back to having people play! BG Token turn ins could give Reals too, Double Reals for that BGs weekend.

For Gear, I would change the Set Bonuses for the ranked sets, and Incursion sets, from Stamina, to % Damage Reduction. 5% for the lvl 50 and lower rank 60 gear, and 10% for the higher rank pvp gear. Instead of Resilience, I’d just like more damage reduction options. Enchants, or a Flask, or an upgraded rank 15/16 set. The 5% on the weapons isn’t enough incentive for people to choose that weapon for Atiesh/MoM for example.

Hoping to see some love in two weeks with Phase 8!

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Players would still avoid WSG like the plague.

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We need to make all Battlegrounds with honor and make them all viable for sure. I pvp on horde and alliance we really need some love and variety. We just need all the battle grounds to be worth it.

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I’d like for them to bring back the OG Alterac Valley; pre 1.8.

((The entire reason for the change was to encourage more PVP; how’d that work out.))

They also need to ‘normalize’ honor gain across all BGs. Last week was AV week. NO ONE was running it; prime time, odd time, crazy time…no matches and “Average Wait Time: Unavailable”.

((I’m pretty sure AV still has the BiS food/drink combo at 4410 hp and mana. With bag space being a premium, you’d think everyone would want the AV Mana Biscuits to save on bag space.))

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Put a timer and up the honor gain not just from flag caps and people will play it. I know I would. All day long. Love me some WSG.

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Timer and a speed cap on FC would help mitigate the egregious cheese/exploiting.

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Yeah, terrain cheesing needs to go as well.

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i hate wsg with a passion.

that bg can die in a fire screaming.

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I love WSG but it’s so exploitable after all these years that it really needs a lot of love to make it an enjoyable experience for anyone but the most hardcore pvp players.

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Many great ideas in this post, and thank you for being respectful to the devs unlike 90 percent of this cesspool of a forum. A major issue you did not mention though that would also need to be addressed is the fact that warsong gulch and alterac valley are deeply broken battlegrounds. The wsg map is glitched in many spots, consume spamming druids break flag carrying as a whole, and no timer is just a deal breaker for most players. AV’s problems are likely too massive and complicated to even address in SoD. Would really love to see warsong gulch adjusted, or just a new bg that has competitive integrity on par with arathi basin.

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just make it so druids are unable to carry the flag :smiley: .

or that you cant use consumes while carrying the flag.

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It’s as simple as applying a speed cap.

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ya but think of the salt if they made druids unable to carry the flag at all :smiley: .

really though speed cap or no, using a consume should drop the flag.

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Same. Even if I’ve had fun with terrain cheese, I’d rather there be people playing WSG at all. AB is cool but way old now.

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also make a timer for wsg.

for real though some people love wsg as it is and i dont want to take that away from them.

im just joking with the suggested changes.

heres a vid for your pleasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KUPIqp-4RE

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Those players aren’t on SoD but either Anni or Era. WSG on SoD will remain dead without some changes.

Back to the main subject, one suggestion I’d posit is revamping the weekend bonus into a rotating daily BG between the three with a big honor boost.

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the only thing i see working (though its a bit late for that with most people that want to get rank 14 already 14) is make the for great honor quest something like 30k honor or something .

for it to work though they would have to make rank 15 or something for people to come back to bgs in general though.

maybe azshara crater bg also?

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Could possibly exchange WSG for twilight highlands CTF. I enjoyed it in retail

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Fixing the jumps in WSG would be a huge W.

Or just put a timer on the bg.