So you are telling rogues can kill me in a 3 seconds window through cheap shot.
But rogues can cheap shot 2 times.
And rogues can sap, blind, kidney shot my partner in this time.
And at same time…that every single action above happens…
i can’t do any damage on rogues because evasion make them almost immune to damage…
Then i had to appeal to crowd control tools, like my trap and my stun but at same time that every action above happens my trap is resisted throught cloak of shadows and my stun is dodged by evasion…
And at same time that every action above happens rogue didn’t needed to trinket.
Ok, lets supose i trinket 1 sec stun and burn all my defensives.
After the bubble ends i have to tank 10 seconds of his evasion… being strucked by him while i can’t react…
And yet im not considering his partner…that are usually a second dps that can CC my partner after sap/blind/kidney shot.
Idk if MM has pet stun, but there’s also Binding Shot and traps to help you peel. I mean, MM has literally no counterplay right now for their one shot gimmick against everyone that doesn’t have stealth themselves, so there’s that too.
Why shouldn’t you have to trinket if a rogue uses all of their cooldowns?
The problem here isn’t rogue btw. It’s kyrian + subtlety specifically. Rogue’s in-line with other classes damage outside of subtlety modified kyrian being absurd imo. subtlety Kyrian is the big problem.
When I say in-line with other classes, I still mean quite strong, as everyone’s insanely strong right now.
So which is it. First you said you’re being forced into turtle because rogue is using blanket defensives to prevent being CC’d so you’re forced to turtle.
Now you’re saying you’re coming out of turtle and stuck dealing with even more blanket defensives.
You know exactly the order, but still i will elaborate for you.
Cloak of shadow pass through trap.
I had to turtle because i will die in 3 seconds otherwise, they don’t need evasion in this time.
Lets suposed i trinket first cheap shot into a hunter stun. They just insta trinket into another cheap shot (i can’t turtle in this GCD) so i will die in the second cheap shot DR.
It’s not hard to force these fotm reroll rogues to misplay.
For example, stacking all their defensives trying to burst someone down like the hunter’s talking about.
You have to react to the opener. It’s a brain-dead fool-proof opener on the rogues part. Any chance of victory HAS to come from you as the opponent.
I’ve had zero issues on my warrior baiting rogues to trinket my trinket fear into stombolts which they die in.
They either sit fear and lose their opener. Or they trinket into their death.
Lots of classes have this option. Not all though unfortunately. And in a 1v1 situation there’s not a lot some classes can do about it. Because obviously trinketing early vs rogue means blind sap reset later. So you need a plan of action.
Trinket + Turtle seems like a pretty good counter for the burst and trading cooldowns seems appropriate. Games aren’t lasting long anyway, so chances are you won’t even have the opportunity to use it a second time.
He’s not considering anyhing other than his one specific scenario, or considering half the tools at a hunters disposal. It’s not worth discussing.
In his scenario the only possibility is a rogue will pre-immune his cc’s because he doesn’t A: force defensives earlier or B: bait defensives .
Literally root + flare forces cloak / evasion / both if you double tap from out of blind range. or w/e the surv ranged cd is called. sitting roots isn’t fun.
There’s too many variables in a 1v1 situation where hunter, or rogue, could make choices that affect the outcome to write it off to “rogues blanket immune every avenue of counterplay.”
And if it’s not a 1v1 situation it’s not a hunter v rogue problem.
First, im not talking about 1v1, im just pointing the capabilities of rogue by himself.
Im saying rogues can kill me in 3 seconds WITHOUT aid of his partner.
Thats the point.
You are saying “just burn all defensives on opener, is a good trade for rogue opener”
After i did this they just swap into my partner, i had to cancel turtle to aid him… then they just swap to me…
Kyrian rogues right now is just unhealthy for the game.
This is the only accurate statement from your post however.
Rogues can’t kyrian both you & your partner. Either you misplayed. Your partner misplayed. Or both.
it’s not your fault. Rogues are absolutely terrifying it’s easy to jump the gun right now. this pace is brand new for a lot of people. But that’s exactly why you gotta figure out a strategy that’s going to let you react and counter the situation you’re in with the very diverse toolkit available to you & w/e your unknown partner is.
Sub is disgusting but I promise you’re playing horribly and using sub as an excuse rather than even trying to improve it’s so funny to watch if I’m honest