Hes almost always right. Hes trying to combat misinformation and being obtuse on purpose. Just look at it as another source of good warrior information and dont think on it more than that. The only thing he’s wrong on that I cant prove empirically because of the multitude of variables is the tuning of Fury holding groups back. It’s an MMO and you cant affect others play, only your own and even if you’re performing up towards your gear limitations IMO the delta from optimal play with the middle and upper specs creates an environment where bringing a Fury warrior is almost a disservice and it isnt compensating with a robust utility kit or pvp performance.
I understand we all have our ability to state our opinions. We are all entitled to share what we think and comment between each other. But similarly Derez has that right too. The times he calls people out it is when folks are making claims that aren’t backed up by fact.
Take for instance, warriors being “bad”. There is no inherent data showing this as objective truth across the entire game. So when someone says “warriors bad” Derez feels obligated to call that person out as stating an inaccuracy. Whether you agree or not is moot. He is entitled to stating his opinion as long as it is within ToS. He doesnt insult people, he doesnt make it personal. He states what he feels is true (which is often backed up with years of knowledge and data) and then moves on. It is only when people feel they are being called stupid or wrong that they tend to lash out at him. (At most he will call something silly)
But just as you said, were all entitled to making claims. This applies to him as well.
That being said, claims that Derez does anything to personally attack anyone is false. He can be blunt, and unmoved by pleas for giving the benefit of the doubt, but that doesnt make him wrong. Its important to take the ego out of posting, if someone is wrong, its okay to be… but have the wisdom to see it and be better for it.
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Warriors DPS needs a hefty buff. Fury’s ST numbers needs to be boosted, with a slight nerf to their whirlwind cleave so their AOE doesn’t go ridiculous OP. Arms just needs another straight percentage boost.
We shouldn’t judge how our class is performing compared to others using data from the top % of mythic raiders or key pushers. That’s just silly. When viewing all classes from a general viewpoint, we are near the bottom.
Here’s hoping to another tuning pass soon with some fat juicy percentage boosts.
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There is also no evidence to say they’re the opposite (in a good place). If you reply to every post with ‘That’s false’ without objectively saying why and breaking the argument down, showing sources as to this or that, the claim just comes off as annoying. For a guy kicked off his EU forums, coming to NA’s, on an 11 alt, and pretending to be the warrior guru of factual information without any reasonable claims is just an eyesore…quickly.
You’re not wrong there. But consider this.
The man has almost 2k posts. He clearly has been active here for a while. Its not like he just rolled in recently.
Think of the volume of posts that come through these forums. I post something and without interaction that post is gone from the front page in a day, maybe two.
Its not like its his job to work the forums giving out information, so the amount of times he sees the same, or similar claims is probably more than anyone would be willing to debunk. Its utilitarian in nature, to just call out something as wrong instead of having an excel sheet of all the different data he might keep on hand.
The man knows his stuff, he has no reason to take the time, every time, to show all the evidence.
Also, a simple google search is usually enough to realize that what claims he is making are accurate.
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None of the posts he replies to put any more work into proving their own validity than his replies do to disprove them. The onus is on the person making the claim to support their point.
Was he actually? Do you have a source for that?
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Because he says so doesn’t make it accurate. Most of the information ive looked at that he has sourced is skewed data parses. I dont care how much he posts or whether his opinion is accurate or not (so far most os inaccuracies but i dont follow him nor am ever on here). Other opinions like his should be welcomed amd he doesnt habe to regurgitate his stance on everyone elses posts, we get it.
I know you don’t care, that’s the problem. You are feeling that his responses are a slight against you and others. Take the Ego out of it. Take a step back and look at what he is actually saying, you’ll find it is accurate.
side note: is your keyboard broken?
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I only visited this forum during my volunteer hours due to boredom on break… so I am not familiar with much of the past on this specific forum. A few months at most, but I only started posting recently myself. My point, broken down to a very specific thing here, is that the guy just rubs certain people the wrong way. 2k posts? Exactly. You can respect the admiration for it or you can take a step back and ask where his personal time for anything else is, why he loves to debate so much that he made a NA account just to do so, and he’s got such a passion for trying to debate specific topics. I’ve compared him to the guy at the party who’s had too much to drink and wants to follow everyone around and debate/stir up drama.
I understand and don’t think he belittles or attacks anyone. He does come off very egotistical and self-righteous however.
Opinions are opinions, but I really think the trait of needing to debate everything posted on this forum you disagree with is a little sad. When the guy comes to every warrior criticism post on these forums just to try and put someone in their place (Again, with a possibility he is right or wrong on it) it just becomes annoying. I only muted his posts yesterday and I’m already the happier for it. Even for those who DO disagree with this or that, they at least provide feedback and arguments properly and not in the format he does (‘This is incorrect because I say so’)
That’s the last I’ll talk about the guy though. Before I even ever started posting here specifically he always annoyed me lol. Purely for his character and predictable habits. Muting is all I needed for a personal sigh of relief visiting this forum and I’m sure many would benefit.
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Yes it isand theres some emotion because i do care abour what other peiple say. I came here to read the communities commwnts not Derez pickimg apart every post om the wartior forums
Ah, That makes sense then 
I was getting worried.
Listen guys, I’m not trying to go to bat for the guy. I don’t know him personally. I just want you guys to understand that even though he can come across as rude, hes very rarely wrong, and I respect him for that.
If his responses bother you that much, just don’t engage with it.
Others opinions have merit. But if someones “opinion” is something objectively wrong, like “warriors scale better with gear” then you’ll find him pitching in. Just be kind to others and let people be who theyre going to be.
We have a really articulate and thoughtful community here on the warrior forums, be the parts you want to see in the forums. Stop trying to police, you’ll be happier.
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Nah, everyone has a reason for their opinion on him. I’ve said before I agree with him on certain things, disagree on some others. I enjoy debate on certain topics as well. The issue is his character and habits in doing so… I like to be a little more thorough and personable when I do, and appreciate others like that.
I understand the internet and the WoW forums though. I get it. The cold, blunt, ‘you’re wrong’ thing can come off really unfriendly and inadvertently belittling quickly. It isn’t a ‘Well you can’t handle the truth thing’ as much as it is that opinions will clash, but it’s best you debate with people who can be a little more approachable and help see each other’s viewpoint.
I don’t think he means to, but he comes off extremely uninviting and unapproachable for someone who loves to debate on this forum. I’d simply advise him to be a bit less dry, robotic and blunt and try to structure his posts in a way that doesn’t come off really self-righteous. I cannot nor would I demand that of him, so I advise others to mute him instead as there are better people here to debate things with that provide more of a human response and more usefulness in debate.
While I agree our ST is a bit lack luster, it is in no way holding back our groups. Here is a perfect example:
Clears a 17 HoA as Fury.
~raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Farover?utm_source=discord&utm_medium=notification
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That’s great but an extreme outlier. I’m not sure your point. Yes, it’s possible for underperforming specs/classes to do alright in high endgame content, but if the general statistical evidence doesn’t really back that up as a norm then I’m not sure a ‘But here’s a few guys who have done it’ really works. That doesn’t prove they’re not low on the spectrum of specs in the game. Nor, does it support them being in a good place. I’m not really debating that though. I don’t mind personally where fury is because my guild is chill and allows me in and I do well enough to be honest. I don’t have a horse in the race of fury performing well/poorly. In terms of debating though, I don’t think a small percentage of the playerbase represents the overall data.
Again this isn’t a single player game. You cant play optimally for others and playing Fury makes you closer to the window of failure. People play at all levels and in groups with limited pulls and time when you play approaching the best of your individual gear capacity as Fury the damage output compared to others in the middle or top makes it a questionable choice.
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i’d actually like to have downvotes back.
big time.
Both of you made the claim that Fury was holding groups back. I gave you proof that what you said was incorrect.
Does Fury need a ST buff, 100% yes. Is it holding groups back, 100% no. The group that Farover is with are a team, and play together working as such. If we’re talking PUG environment, well let’s be honest. PUGs are gonna go with what is easiest to do. I’m not being elitist here, it just seems to be PUG nature to take the road of least resistance. Yeah, Warriors need to work harder right now. Until we get some more buffs we won’t be meta. That doesn’t mean you can’t succeed as a warrior.
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Just for the sake of it, I’m going to assume you’re running SD-Rend-Ava-Dread
You’re always going to open with, Ava+Rend-CS-Spear-OPx2, MS, and into your normal rotation after.
The big thing to remember with Spear is, you’re going to squeeze BS into the end of your CS window if you can, but sometimes it might only partially make it in, or not at all. This is not a bad thing, as one of the main advantages of Spear is being flush with rage. So it’s going to be a judgement call thing. Usually last 4 seconds or so of CS, look at your rage and estimate. If you’re below, say, 60 (ballpark number, just to communicate) you’re probably fine to spin. If you’re above that, though, it’s a lot more likely you’ll waste a decent bit of rage, and you might want to use another MS.
If you get an SD proc, you’d like to use that sooner rather than later. If using a proc will cap you on rage though, then wait and use an MS or Slam first (same logic you use for OP, in a way)
The only reason you don’t really need to do this just yet is, CS already applied DW, and you’d like to get spear and OP’s CDs rolling.
Now, this might actually be a better way to do it, but I’m just going off of some logs I pulled up and the APL for kyrian. I didn’t try changing the APL around at all for different openers, but as of right now, it’s a bit different. You have the right idea though.
I have done this.
Awesome thanks! I’ll try it out in our raid tonight. Will take some getting used to, since I’m used to just smashing the condemn button, but spear just feels so much stronger in dungeons, especially tanking. Using Unhinged as a legendary.
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