Wouldn’t this mean that Blizzard is making tons of money? That’s why we have capacity issues, because people are coming back to the game. Did you… did you think about this at all?
Can you elaborate on this?
If people are unsubbing why does every realm have queues?
That was the sarcasm of my post. But, your questions highlighted the points! =)
No it isn’t. You used it later again to further your point here:
You think questions that you have refused to answer are highlighting your points? Even this question here:
which shows that what your say can’t possibly be true?
people sub for retail and play classic also. lol what are you even trying to say.
The entire thing I said was sarcasm. Everything was so absurd it should have been obvious.
You asked the question:
Wouldn’t this mean that Blizzard is making tons of money?
Of course it would. These folks who say they are losing money, meanwhile half the other non-RDF threads are about over saturation. They are losing money but over saturated? …that’s silly.
Oh I am misreading here, my apologies. Carry on.
Read it. It is clear. People are still paying them. They are not losing money.
not really…
Some servers can be oversaturated and have queue time issues while them still losing more money than they could have been making.
having 5 - 8 full servers globally with queues in a pool of about 45 servers doesn’t mean that they are bursting with players… it means that specific servers are overpopulated.
Who knows if they added rdf there could be 15 - 20 servers full and overpopulated.
the point stands, you can’t say they’re not losing money just because players are concentrated on a few servers. They could still very much do so if they aren’t capitalising on the complete pool of players.
But who is to say they wouldn’t lose more people if they do add rdf, i’m willing to bet that anti rdf people are a lot less likely to quit because of a system being in that they can avoid than rdf people who are majorly inconveinienced about it not being in or it not being a true wrath experience.
Only time will tell how it all plays out!
Edit - also subs don’t really matter anymore, they go off player engagement like monthly active users because of wow token etc…
so people could be here posting while keeping their sub active from gold they have in reail… thus not paying blizzard
Of course it is speculation. If they are acting in good faith then they make choices that are good for their business. They chose no RDF knowing it would be controversial. Leveraging the context available, they made that decision ‘in spite’ of the controversy. It would be easy to conclude they feel the losses are acceptable and their internal information leads them to believe this was a better and healthier path forward.
I totally agree with them. They did a great job and this version of the game is fantastic. I’m glad they are ignoring the counter points and sticking to their convictions.
Wouldn’t been the first time they pushed forward with a controversial decision to the detriment of the game.
Also wouldn’t be the first time they backtracked it… it wouldn’t be the first time in the past 7 days cough pvp queing.
Havnt played wow in 7 years. Resubbed for wrath because i heard there was no cross realm raid and dungeon finder. RDF ruined the game. It murdered the community and made the game feel like a single player experience. An RDF that only works on your own server? Im down. But the cross realm crap was cancer and never shouldve been done. Because theres no RDF, I have been meeting people, making friends, and having lively conversations. You dont get that when people are joining no consequence parties with people theyll never see again
That’s what businesses do. They adapt.
They haven’t reversed their decision on RDF in spite of, what appears to be, MONTHs of noise in the forums. Assuming they stick with their choice and their convictions, that leads me to believe the data they are seeing is that those of us who love the version of the game currently available and don’t want it changed are more represented and generating more revenue than placating to the crowd who want this toxic feature to be reestablished.
Totally agree. I think the LFG tool they introduced is an elegant compromise and it has been working great on my realm.
Blizzard dumped them because it was better than WoD and made the WoD+ era of PvP look like crap, because everything from WoD to modern retail is horrible for a plethora of reasons.
I love the one they created. I wouldnt even mind it if they auto put us into groups based on what were looking for. Just as long as its all kept on server
I’m not sure it needs any more automation but something I value from the current one is that I can selectively choose classes for our party based on the existing dynamic. It’s nice to have a pally ‘replenish’ if we are caster heavy. Nice to have lots of AOE on aoe spam dungeons. In order to counter this flexibility, if they randomly select people to group together and remove the ‘choice’ is that they end up dumbing down the dungeons so their RDF tool doesn’t lead to constant frustration. They buff the party and make the dungeons different. In the current version, none of that is necessary because the players have agency over the formation of the party. I love it!
It’s a pretty good tool. My whole family plays and we are forming groups in minutes. Several alts. In-and-out of all the dungeons all the way to 70 in a few mins. People drop out, can replace them nearly instantly.
It’s been a really good and healthy experience. Very reminiscent of the original wrath.
We had effectively lost interest in Blizzards array of games until I read they were releasing without RDF. It’s a major factor in returning.
This i will never understand… Seeing as how we the (players) requested to have a classic in the first place. They tried to deny us that awhile back. And while WOTLK is here and for the most part is great… They should put in RDF. ALOT of people want it… including myself, the current tool is pointless and sucks more than a addon. Mean while in /4 I’m having to listen to spams of bots and other things other than what /4 is meant for. Also people wanna talk about the convo’s in groups like its a big deal… ITS NOT. There has not been one time where I’ve had a strat or conversation while running dungeons, other than someone asking for class buffs or food ect. Thats it nothing else is worth (talking about)… I have never in my life EVER heard anyone say they enjoy RUNNING to a Dungeon. This is my two cents and it needs to be put back in. OR ATLEAST put a level cap on it, like it caps at 70 with max being 80.
Also one last post… I’m seeing people talk about RDF like thats the part that killed (retail)? I don’t know how much y’all remember well buttt… LFR Was the part that killed most RDF had 0 to do with that. Also do y’all not have guilds and friends? To be so conversational with this whole RDF, why not do them with your guildies or friends, I’m sure being so talkative in a dungeon with other people in the same realm has made y’all loads of them. Which till this day has not made 1 friend during classic lol and I play on the big LOCKED server… And again people don’t really talk about the dungeon orrrr are y’all anti-RDF having that much trouble with dungeons?
You’ve had a fairly anti-social experience. Mine has been the opposite. I’ve had plenty of groups that communicate all the way up through to 70 on our various alts.
I don’t agree that the frictions removed by RDF are good for the game. I hope the feature is never added. Unless they actually lose a substantial number of subs and validate that those losses are directly related to RDF, I really hope they retain their convictions. The game is excellent right now and doesn’t need any changes.
Wrath is head and shoulders above any other expac for me
I’m having such a great time and it’s only the pre patch!
The only tiny grievance I have is that my mage can’t get permanent water elemental without sacrificing its freeze ability
I could’ve sworn with 100% certainty that I had a permanent water ele pet with freeze in wrath but it seems I didn’t 
And you didn’t answer a single question correctly. Nor state a valid point? So I’ll ask in a more forward question… What are y’all communicating about? (it seems if your communicating that much, your with friends), or y’all are struggling with dungeons that much that y’all need to strategize threw the dungeon? ALSO! I wanna point out that… Every ANTI-RDF person technically lost on votes whether or not to have it put in the game. So technically speaking… If all of us who decides to quit because its not added in you would lose ALOT of people. If I remember correctly the votes where 60% wanted it an 40% didn’t, for some reason blizzard once again isn’t listening to the one’s THAT ACTUALLY want something in the game… Also have you tried the bulletin board ADDON? It works ALOT better than what the system in-game has by a long shot. Which is od because you would think blizzard could create something better in their own video game. Now as I’ve stated many times now… I don’t know where y’alls communication comes from because DUNGEONS are NOT a RAID? Like is it that hard? I don’t understand?