It’s not bugged and it work but you’d have to manually hit frost shock to proc it. That just makes this even more garbage. Like what are you even doing at this point? What did Lava Burst and PWave do to you? If you’re gonna hit Frost Shock naked you might as well just hit Pwave and wait till a Lava Surge proc.
If you have the beta, just try it. I don’t use Frost Shock, and it still activates.
I do have beta. Post a log of you procing it only hitting nature spells while never hitting Pwave, Lava Burst, or Frost Shock, while playing Earth Shock and NOT Elemental Blast using Stormbringer Hero talents.
Completely agree, but I think the current lightning bolt build could be better as well. They could just make it so the other spells are worth pressing, I don’t know why people have such a vendetta against lava burst, but to me it’s one of the coolest abilities in the game, especially since it has the ability to overload.
You’re really not, they’re close to it, but we’re not. They could do a bunch of things to fix it like reduce the cd on our spells slightly and nerf FoL. They could buff lava burst/lava surge and our spenders so they’re worth pressing on certain conditions. Only casting lava burst after pwave feels anthithetical to how a healthy spec should play. Whenever you get a proc it should feel good to get and you should want to spend it.
I completely agree with this and I think the obsession with a certain element is just stupid, we’re not a lightning shaman or a lava shaman. Thematically we should use all the elements and weave them together, it’s what makes the most sense, but what trumps all else regardless of the theme is the gameplay it should be interesting engaging and fun, spamming one button isn’t fun for me.
But even with the lightning bolt spam build I feel they’re pretty close to something, they should tweak the numbers so that our lava surge procs more often, we weave our lava bursts in between our heavy hitting spells and when we have nothing else to press an instant cast lava burst should always be better than pressing our builder with a cast time.
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Thats pretty much where I’m at. You should be casting Lava Surges to buff spenders instead of ignoring them. Feels bad.
Farseer Fire had that since outside of DRE/Ascendance you always wanted to use either a Earth Shock/Elemental Blast, Frost Shock, or Lighting Bolt with MotE. Even during DRE/Ascendance windows you still wanted to cast Icefury, consume Fusion, and avoid capping. Hell the FoL change made it not feel as bad the rare moments where all you could do is cast lighting bolt since you were getting CDR on Pwave and Grandpa Swiftness.
Litterally doesn’t proc. It was bugged in previous builds but it has long since been fixed. You’re haven’t played recently most likely. Here’s a short test running Stormbringer Build with EEQ and MFW instead of PWave and Splintered Elements without hitting Frost Shock at all. Also notice no MotE since I never hit Lava Burst. Never procs.
https://imgur.com/vwLojs6
Yeah that sounds how a build/rotation should be, a decent playstyle that has procs that are worth using and a mechanic like MotE to make it so you’re not mindlessly spamming one or two buttons.
Honestly though, if I was given the choice of lava burst spam or lightning bolt spam I would choose lava burst spam any day. Having a shorter gcd and the way the spec just wants to turret lightning bolts hurts my finger(s). It also makes the spec more versatile in AoE, good in spread situations and decent in situations where mobs are stacked. Current AoE feels pretty clunky and bad in spread AoE fights and like I said in my opening post just feels like another ‘‘pump when mobs are stacked’’ class.
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https://imgur.com/a/MD2yfHM is a bug?
It’s not a bug. You have some frost damage source that is fulfilling the requirement that isn’t linked to your talent/abilities. What are your embellishments/trinkets and your damage breakdown as think it’s coming from whatever is giving you “Pontenziamento Nascente”.
Edit: NMV thats the dawnbreaker trinket. But still, you have a frost damage source procing it somewhere.
Edit: You’re also only procing it for a stupid low uptime. Running Pwave and EEQ I’m getting around 1:20-1:30 on a 5 minute tests where as you’re only getting it for :40 seconds. So your Frost source is not consistent.
I’m guessing this is for PvE? I’m absolutely deleting entire arena teams with LB spam build rn at 2300 mmr
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The thing is FoL is one of the core problems with the talent tree. Any talent that is encouraging us to press one button over and over (DRE, FoL) needs to be changed.
I feel like lightning (and to a lesser extent, earth) is part of the elemental shaman identity. It never made sense to emphasize fire so much when it’s already such a big part of mage and even warlock identity.
Shaman identity should emphasize earth and lightning, it’s boring when all the casters in the game use fire spells. Variety is good.
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I mean nobody is asking it to be pure fire. And Shaman are Masters of the Elements, not purely lighting wizards and geomancers if we’re talking about lore. I’d say the fact that Elemental and Enhance can utilize multiple different Elements is more visually distinct than a Mage thats only using Arcane spells, or only using Fire spells, or only using Frost spells.
But again, Game Play > Aesthetic. And you can 100% have a good aesthetic while having tippy top gameplay.
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Serious question. Why do you like the shaman class? Why are you even playing the shaman? I have read multiple posts from you in regard to playing at the top level. Seems you care more about that then about the shaman specifically. There are other classes/specs out there. Why choose shaman if not for the Aesthetics, the fantasy? I don’t get it. You complain about the gameplay, the rotation, the damage, but other classes offer this and more. Shaman brings cool things to the raid and m+ but you don’t see them at MDI and have low presence at RTWF. So real and serious question, why do you choose shaman?
I can’t speak for him but I can speak for myself. Our Mythic raid roster was locked in 2 weeks ago, when ele was fun. Now it’s not and it will be hell to change because we don’t have another Shaman. So yea, it would be nice if they don’t completely change the playstyle to an entirely inferior version at the drop of a hat.
It had a good gameplay aesthetic as a master of the elements contrasted with most other classes that are boiled down to “lol fire”, “lol purple”, “lol ice”, or “lol green fire”. Enhance had the most unique damage profile for DF which is why I mained it for the whole of DF. Ele had a good feedback loop with Farseer Fire and Season 2 Lighting Build but I stopped playing it on the side when Season 3/4 meatball spam became a thing. Utility standpoint it was always pretty fun in raid and M+. And this damn song that infected my brain when I was a kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9CIvwLYfqQ The only reason I’m not an orc shaman is because Blizzard decided to stick a bunch of dangerous Debuffs in every form of content.
I appreciate the aesthetics but still, Gameplay > aesthetics.
Because I’m not a FOTM rerolling rat. I don’t need my class/spec to be stacked in RTWF comps, be played in the MDI (which, who really cares about MDI, TGP is better by a long shot), or be a part of the god comp.
…no they didn’t.
This idea being constantly put forward is just a pet peeve of mine.
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Bruh. Can’t understand why your mythic raid roster would be that locked in with no room for flexibility. Most RTWF guilds level and gear out multiple alts. But even if you’re not a RTWF guild you should still have some flexibility in the roster.
I don’t want to discredit your opinion and it’s a valid one. It just doesn’t seem like a realistic answer to the original question of why play a shaman? Raid buff? Sure, but resto shaman could do that also. DPS outperforming other classes? Sure, valid reason. Utility that only the ele shaman can bring? Sure, valid reason.
I like your answer. So, aesthetics and fantasy are your main driver for playing shaman. I to like the weaving of nature, frost, fire. It is cool gameplay. I also am an advocate of lightning (nature) focused gameplay with cool spell interactions. We can have both.
Sure, but can we have both by next week? Not really. I’m not against suggestions for how to improve it for the future but there’s a time a place to focus on short term.
If we are playing this current build but you’re now your adding like 5-10 more Lava Burst via Lava Surge followed by Earth Shock within a 5 min epoch of time, is it suddenly not a Lighting Build? Was season 2 not a Lighting Build because we cast Lava Burst, Elemental Blast, and Frost Shock?
Not every mythic guild follows RTWF standards or even standards set by HoF guilds. Locking in rosters is also good because it allows people to plan and set up for expansions. The last thing you want is 2 to 3 people constantly swapping classes/specs at the beginning of a tier. How pissed would you be if say in Season 2 you gave your Arms warrior an Ashkandur and 2 tier pieces after the first 2 resets they go “lol gonna play mage now”. Range vs Melee split is also essential in some tiers, like Nathria and Amirdrasil.
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Firstly I love the aestetic of ele shaman. I’ve mained ele shaman since legion. My least favorite iteration of it that ever existed was S2 of DF which caused me to swap to DH for a bit. In TWW we are going back to the S2 DF but even more degenerate. Not saying your aren’t wrong, as I am also an Rsham main. I could just heal, but our raid roster has 5 healers already, we don’t need a sixth. I am the primary Shaman for the group. The answer to this problem shouldn’t be to reroll, the answer should just be to fix ele to its intended play loop. Which they have largely been unable to accomplish due to toxic talents in the talent tree such as DRE and FoL. I will add to this by saying it would be incredibly selfish of me to ask to swap off of shaman 2 days before the expansion launches and would risk my spot in the raid roster.
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This is how it should be working now. The nuts and bolts are all there, the values just need to be worth it to press the buttons.
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