I think you are assuming I play FOTM specs with FOTM rotations. I play what is fun and fulfills my interpretation of the class fantasy.
The problem, which I have already articulated in other posts, is the ultimate reliance on lava burst. Even if you totally ignore lava burst, lava surge’s notification plasters your screen with Epileptic inducing precision. So, you are constantly reminded you’re playing fire.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. AND it still happens regardless of the preplanning guilds do. But the rigidity of not being able to swap to an alt is unprecedented and doesn’t make sense in a normal context of things. Nor is it the typical experience of any guild. I used RTWF as an elevated edge case to provide an example of this. Don’t get hung on the RTWF argument. Who knows. His guild may be that rigid and strict. I can concede if that is the case. Play the game he wants to play.
See now that is an excellent reason to stay a shaman imo. Play what is fun. But I agree ele shaman should be a viable option for mythic raid and I agree making it fun to play is key. But I originally asked the question on why Shaman. And the answer seems to boil down to class fantasy and aesthetics. Which imo need some work as previously discussed in other posts.
That is the most nitpicky thing I’ve ever seen in my life, my guy. If you’re so against it, change your weakauras, I guess. Like you’re acting like hitting a Lava Surge suddenly means every Lighting Spell greys out. So if they made Lava Surge an optional talent that you could not take and therefore take it off your bars you’d be satisfied?
It’s still 100% a Lightning Build even if you hit Pwave and Lava Burst. Stop being so ridged.
No. I’d be satisfied if tempest replaced lava burst.
How old are you? HAHA. Give it a couple of years.
I actually don’t mind pressing lava burst every now and then if I had to. I am also a bit salty that I have toa spend point in echo of elements (which gives me 2 casts of lvb) and I get a the lava surge talent for free. So rotationally, I have to decide if I must press lvb or lightning bolt. Also, you may underestimate the amount that lava surge procs. With the lightning build I am playing I keep flameshock up as much as possible to help reduce the cooldown of storm elemental. Skybreaker’s Fury Demise. I also run liquid magma totem for aoe situations to help spread flameshocks and even further reduce the cd of storm elemental.
You literally can just let it fall off in AoE and literally only apply it via LMT and Pwave.
You don’t. Only hit Lava Burst if you have a surge proc and Pwave is up—otherwise spam Lighting Bolt. You’re making yourself press it more. There’s no point in MotEing your spenders because how powerful the CDR is. Same with AoE, drop LMT, Flameshock, Pwave, Spam CL and Earthquake until you get a surge proc to consume Pwave then let them fall off. You’d get more CDR just from spaming CL and Earthquake and would give you more Tempest casts rather than trying to keep Flameshock up.
But but that’s fotm and I like liquid magma totem. Its looks cool. Plus I get 100% uptime of storm ele in cleave/aoe situations. It may not top the charts but rotationally, synergistically, it feels good. I do spend maelstrom on earthquake.
Thats the point. I want to press the button to satisfy my ocd. I must press the button. all the buttons.
Additionally, if I am spamming lb and not pressing lvb I am just wasting a point in Master of elements. so that makes 2 talent points and a base passive I am straight up ignoring. Feels bad man.
Random tangent. I am also not fond of echoes of great sundering. I have to spend 55/60 (70/80) mael to then spend another 55/60 on equake. Especially when mael generation is slow as … molasses. So clunky to me and not worthy of an end talent. if the talent made equake free then now we talking.
Cool. So why don’t we buff Lava Burst and Earth Shock/Elemental Blast so we’re not ignoring procs and spells and so that they don’t feel bad to press? Currently the cost of using a GCD to spend Lava Burst to buff Earth Shock/Elemental Blast isn’t outweighed by Lighting Bolt spam, so buffing them SLIGHTLY alleviates that. Consider that we have a tier set based on using our spenders, yet it’s more efficient to wait until the last moment to use our spenders unbuffed.
This is what I’ve been saying across multiple threads. It’s something they could do today instead of retrofitting Lava Burst to turn into Tempest, which will take a while to ensure that it works properly and is tuned correctly with all interactions in place and ensure all aura variations work. Down the line, they could do that, but the expac is days away. Short term goals vs long term goals.
Good thing not a single build is taking it because MFW is a dead talent so the talent point sink makes Echoes worse. Right now, it’s playing SoP and spamming CL into Quake > CL > Quake > CL once you’ve pooled enough or during the SK + SoP combo.
Because the fantasy of using lightning spells for starters. Secondly, playstyle blizz envisioned for lightning doesn’t meet that standard. It’s hard to articulate in a forum post but the jest of it is I think blizz designed it to be the lb spam gameplay. It is an oversimplification of my interpretation and may not come across as I intend but i’m hoping its meaningful to state here. This is based on the synergies of the lb/cl/nature-based spells, lightning rod, stormkeeper, thunderstrike ward, etc. hard to explain.
Even more reason to replace lava burst with tempest.
Nah. Today isn’t going to happen. They about to have a pizza party. (or free tap water if your at my work). They need to celebrate the launch of the xpac. Plus buffing lvb, earth shock and ele blast will effect the dmg of fire, weaver, or other based builds. Not to mention how does the dmg increase effect leveling the class. There are a lot of variables they have to consider. “One doesn’t simple buff a spell”
Dude. It’s an online forum. What else am I supposed to post other than complaints? Even if it is a complaint about your complaint about my complaint. You missed the point btw. I said I don’t like playing it. I am not everyone. I speak for me and the people that follow me. I am sure it is fun if mael gen would be higher and that could be achieved by playing a different spec and rotation.
Buff shock/blast and burst or nerf flash CDR per cast but add spenders and lava burst to it’s proc condition, or just make flash work based on maelstrom spent.
Revert at least partially the ms gen nerfs since the rework. Especially to chain lightning.
Ice fury proc reduced but works with every spell, not just lava burst.
Remove or reposition liquid magma totem, in it’s place add back wind speaker, wind speaker proc lava surges would also spread flame shock to nearby targets, deal cleave damage and generate a slightly more maelstrom based on how many targets it hit up to 6.
Make Dre work based on Ms spent.
This one is more of an idea that I’m still thinking about, but what if mastery always overloaded, but extra mastery would increase the damage of overloads rather than the proc chance.
I’m also wondering if they should split aftershock and surge of power because they are just fundamentally very different abilities. Also I see a world where using both could be extremely fun.
personnaly, my first toon on wow was a shaman back in tbc and i still play that toon as my main since then
i tried both playstyles on beta and retail and honestly, weaver and lightning builds, both are braindead and get boring after 5 minutes
it feels so wrong when you completly ignore a lot of your actions because they don’t synergize or do less damage compared to spamming 1-2 buttons
i don’t care if elemental suddenly becomes a r1 spec, i’ll always like the spec and play it but for now its hard to enjoy it despite the numbers you can do
