How’s everyone feeling about playing as Ret in PVP, especially in arena and solo shuffle?
Personally, I feel the damage is way below average as semi-melee without healing reduction; utility-wise, everything is perfect as it used to be.
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broken
make sac 2 min and make sanc 90s + replace sac
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Idk using the new lvladen pvp build I feel like I’m doing decent damage. But I’m only like 1kish rating so not sure about higher ratings. Maybe in higher ratings it’s a different story.
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Feels exactly the same as before the buffs. Didnt notice any improvement tbh. Just boring.
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don’t take this personally but LMFAO
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Literally still weak lol
Vanguards was still struggling on Ret Warrior X so it can’t be that good. Probably just playable now. I doubt they’ll ever let Rets have real kill pressure ever again after DragonFlight
I want heal pressure at least but somehow warriors get that too.
What’s so funny?
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I notice the damage increase from the buffs and 4set is AWESOME, but I don’t feel like im winning games that I’d have lost previously despite the damage buffs.
Messed around some with HoL and saw a few 4mil+ crits (highest was 4.7mil), but honestly still feels like I’m getting carried by BM hunter or arms war.
That being said, having played all the other specs, that seems entirely more than fair given everything else in the kit.
I always see, “give ret MS! 
” posts and I genuinely think if ret got MS today then tomorrow every single game would be ret+mage.
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It’s okay I don’t take any offense 
I just got 1600! I’m getting a little better I feel like everytime I play!
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I think retribution is well-balanced in Season 1, and the kill pressure is intense throughout the entire dragon flight.
Sorry it’s about lvladen not you
You’re crushin it
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For a melee with no ms and trash mobility, its damage is honestly horrendous. Just laughably low. But it can enable a hunter or warrior to pve so it has two solid ladder comps.
In any rated arena outside of those two ladder comps, it’s a junk spec.
IMO: increase cd on sac and sanct, heavy nerf the passive party healing talents in pvp, then make them crank during 2 min wings or do good dam on radiant glory.
I would say that while the final verdict and the 4-set buff are extraordinary, retribution still falls short in delivering sufficient damage. This issue also extends to PvE, since its single-target damage in boss fights is less competitive compared to other classes.
I share your sentiment. The league previously featured more retributions due to their strong supportability and high damage. However, the significant damage gap from the previous season is quite disappointing.
Buff Templar’s Verdict (lol), Hammer of Light and Dawnlight by 15-20% in pvp and remove LoH from arena maybe.
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What we really need is a 70% buff to justicar’s vengeance. I feel like the range on a few abilities should be lowered, and damage increased to compensate (final verdict and blade of justice).
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Give Ret 20s wing back with 2 min cd like last expansion instead of 8s wing every 30s then they wont complain about damage anymore and We only have 1 trinket 2min cd can pair with thier burst. You cant have the 1 shot every 30s with HoJ and Radiant glory. And remove the 10s reduce forbearance talent. They alreary can bubble while forbreance.
I think most high rated rets are using 1 minute wings with badge and 4set if they’re not playing to dampen.
In addition to the last round of “buffs”. Give ret 5% damage increase across the board. There, fix’d.
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