Cruel barb, hunter vs rogue(long story)

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

If you don’t have two stat sticks, Piercing Axe - a green quest reward - is better.

Cruel barb paired with literally any green BOE stat stick would be superior to this so no.

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

Shadowfang? You mean the super expensive super rare drop? Yeah totally fair comparison.

BIS is BIS bro. And skeletal club is not rare at all, it’s a world drop. There’s one on my AH right now for 1.5 gold.

A rare world drop that you can farm only in the mid 20s…

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

A rare world drop that you can farm only in the mid 20s…

Or, you know, buy from the auction house in seconds.

[Espur-whitemane]

Why don’t BOEs count? Because it doesn’t suit your argument?

There’s a BOE on my AH right now that’s only slightly worse than cruel barb selling for the princely sum of 1.5 gold.

Because having to rely on cheap but extremely good items being available isn’t reliable at all.

1.5g is a lot at level 19. At that level you’re still saving for spells and budgeting.

[Evelyisse-moon-guard]

It’s greedy and entitled to put the same weight on a really good item that’s good for you - but not as good for someone else, and to be surprised when people react poorly to it. I’d react pretty poorly to someone taking Blackcrow from me for just the 1% hit.

If the OP had communicated and the Rogue said to go for it, or if there was already an understanding in place that the Hunter wants Cruel Barb, fine. But they just rolled out of the blue for it.

Disagree. You’re talking about entitlement and then you say that the Hunter has to communicate with the Rogue. Nah. No one had to, if they wanted to they could have but no one has to. The Rogue does not need to give the Hunter permission, just like the Hunter doesn’t have to give anyone permission to loot ranged weapons.

I’m leaving my comment at that. Reply/tell me I’m wrong if you want. I’m not going to be like people in this thread and look 20 hours after it was first created for dissenting opinions.

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

for a rogue/warrior, its a vital piece for their ability to progress… vice versa, if its been a bow/gun etc, no one should roll against you, even if rogues and warriors can use the stats… for them its just a trinket, or stats…

Except that’s wrong- I have never seen a warrior/rogue pass on a ranged weapon with stats that’s better for them. Actually, as a hunter I’ve been told not to roll need on ranged weapons with stats that warriors/rogues desire, so it’s the opposite of what you are saying.

I don’t know where people keep getting the idea that rogues/warriors will pass on ranged weapons, it simply never happens. I’ve even had them roll need against my hunter on statless ranged weapons- that are solely for pulling- because they claimed that damage from the pull is worth it.

I have. All the time. From vanilla through when they removed ranged weapons for rogues and warrior

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

1.5g is a lot at level 19. At that level you’re still saving for spells and budgeting.

It’s like 5 tin nodes. Significantly less effort than actually running a dungeon.

[Áurora-argent-dawn]

they should, for same reason hunters should pass on melee weapons if, melee classes need them… that was general rule back in the day

[Espur-whitemane]

Cruel barb paired with literally any green BOE stat stick would be superior to this so no.

If you don’t have any other stat stick. If you don’t have any other stat stick.

[Holymirax-ashkandi]

If you don’t have two stat sticks, Piercing Axe - a green quest reward - is better.

Cruel barb paired with literally any green BOE stat stick would be superior to this so no.

And yet your wing clips and raptor strikes would hit like pure crap, which a bunch of hunters are saying is important.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

If you don’t have any other stat stick. If you don’t have any other stat stick.

If you don’t have 25 silver laying around to buy a stat stick?

[Espur-whitemane]

It’s like 5 tin nodes. Significantly less effort than actually running a dungeon.

Again, why shouldn’t the Hunter do the same and buy an item themselves if it’s no big deal?

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

And yet your wing clips and raptor strikes would hit like pure crap, which a bunch of hunters are saying is important.

No intelligent hunter is saying that. The point of hunter melee weapons is the stats on them. The melee weapon slot has significantly more stats than any other equipment slot.

[Espur-whitemane]

No intelligent hunter is saying that. The point of hunter melee weapons is the stats on them. The melee weapon slot has significantly more stats than any other equipment slot.

Hunters have the lowest requirement for gear while leveling outside of a decent ranged weapon. Rogues are among the highest demand for gear.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

Again, why shouldn’t the Hunter do the same and buy an item themselves if it’s no big deal?

Because there is no item the hunter can buy that is anywhere near as good as cruel barb. Again, 90% of melee weapons are designed with melee classes in mind. Most of them are useless for hunters. Cruel Barb is one of the few that isn’t.

[Aewendil-caelestrasz (Aewendil)]

Hunters have the lowest requirement for gear while leveling outside of a decent ranged weapon. Rogues are among the highest demand for gear.

How unlucky for rogues. Hunters are still allowed to roll on gear regardless of how hard it is to be a rogue. This is like the dumbest argument ever. It’s like saying warlocks can’t roll on cloth because mages are more gear dependent.

[Raizeal-wyrmrest-accord]

And yet your wing clips and raptor strikes would hit like pure crap, which a bunch of hunters are saying is important.

That’s pretty much meme garbage… anyone who rolls for their raptor strike damage as a hunter was made fun of back in the day, because they should be. Hunters that tried to be raptor strike melee hunters were laughed at harder than warriors that spammed rend.

[Espur-whitemane]

Because there is no item the hunter can buy that is anywhere near as good as cruel barb. Again, 90% of melee weapons are designed with melee classes in mind. Most of them are useless for hunters. Cruel Barb is one of the few that isn’t.

It is also outside of BoEs one of the best weapons a Rogue can get until the late 20s.

[Raizeal-wyrmrest-accord]

It is also outside of BoEs one of the best weapons a Rogue can get until the late 20s.

So it’s one of the best weapons for a rogue, and the best for a hunter… so they should be roll need, which is what the OP did. That seems to make sense.

[Espur-whitemane]

How unlucky for rogues. Hunters are still allowed to roll on gear regardless of how hard it is to be a rogue. This is like the dumbest argument ever. It’s like saying warlocks can’t roll on cloth because mages are more gear dependent.

Mages and Warlocks get the same usage out of the cloth.

Again - you’re fully allowed to roll on it. It’s in the game’s rules. However, that doesn’t mean you’re fully in the right and shouldn’t face any repercussions.