X-realm certainly diluted the experience. More is not always better.
adding my 2c. cross realms absolutely were trash from a server community perspective. a lot of the magic in vanilla vanished overnight when cross realms were introduced. that's one of the make or breaks for me, the other being the talent system (needs to be pre-TBC overhaul patch).
I absolutely despise cross realm battlegrounds.
11/08/2017 04:26 PMPosted by CoinbergHas this been discussed properly yet?
I remember back in vanilla when Cross-Realm BGs hit live I was very disappointed. I was in a high population US server (Bleeding Hollow) and always had instant-queue or <1minute queue times for battlegrounds 24/7. I understand this change was necessary for lower population realms since they had very long queue times.
I still remember actually playing on the PTR for patch 1.12, before it even hit live servers I remember feeling like it was a bad idea, something just felt off about it. When Patch 1.12 hit live servers I finally realised why it was such a bad idea. I no longer recognized anyone in the battlegrounds, the BG's were full of people I would never see again in the game. I believe this was the first BIG "QoL" change I had ever experienced that took away from the community feel. Rarely if ever would I ever see anyone that I recognized from the world inside BG's anymore. I remember BG's being added and people complaining that this killed world PvP, but you still at least had the community feel to BG's when the BGs were full of people from only your server.
The issue here is that this "QoL" change happened during vanilla, and before the TBC pre-patch, so it makes it a lot more difficult to debate whether or not we have it or not. It's easy to say 'no' to suggestions about implementing TBC/WOTLK (and so on) QoL changes, but I feel this particular issue is going to be a hard one.
Crossrealm BGs were the start of the downfall of WoW. As you've stated it absolutely destroyed the PvP community over night, and from this many other changes came that were also cross realm. All of these further destroyed the community. The community aspect of Vanilla is what most people are wanting back in the game.
11/15/2017 07:49 AMPosted by BingeX-realm certainly diluted the experience. More is not always better.
Enjoy the inevitable queue times at 60. 30+ minutes.
Enjoy no queue pops pre 60.
NO CHANGES
11/08/2017 08:05 PMPosted by EzeverFor what it's worth, I agree. Cross realms anything is not a good idea.
Mayraminher - Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
(8/22/2006)
Drums of War
Cross-Realm Battlegrounds
Try 2006 garbage troll.
At least take 5 sec to look it up.
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Cross realms bad for the game this function kill the community.. i dont need it.
i need the close vanilla experience what a blizzard can make.
i need the close vanilla experience what a blizzard can make.
Without Battlegroups and CRZ, battlegrounds will be like 15vs7, 40vs10, 10vs3.
If ppl wil know that X server is 70% Alliance and 30% Horde most of them will roll Alliane side on that server, making it later 90% Alliance and 10% Horde
Most realms on live WOW since WOTLK tend to be very unbalanced, only few of them are 60/40 and 50/50 and majority is like 90/10
If ppl wil know that X server is 70% Alliance and 30% Horde most of them will roll Alliane side on that server, making it later 90% Alliance and 10% Horde
Most realms on live WOW since WOTLK tend to be very unbalanced, only few of them are 60/40 and 50/50 and majority is like 90/10
11/16/2017 05:25 AMPosted by AnolayleaWithout Battlegroups and CRZ, battlegrounds will be like 15vs7, 40vs10, 10vs3.
If ppl wil know that X server is 70% Alliance and 30% Horde most of them will roll Alliane side on that server, making it later 90% Alliance and 10% Horde
Most realms on live WOW since WOTLK tend to be very unbalanced, only few of them are 60/40 and 50/50 and majority is like 90/10
You forget there are differences from vanilla and TBC onwards.
Faction stacking only happens now because
1) Shamans/Paladins on both factions
2) Cross-Realm everything
3) World events/dailies and people don't want to be disturbed
When someone is now making a character on the classic servers and has in mind wanting fast-queue times, they're not going to roll on a stacked faction, they'll find a server that's even, or they'll find a server where the faction they want to play on is a minority, so they can get fast queue times.
Cross-Realm BG's encourage faction stacking on individual servers because there's absolutely no consequences like longer queue times. People will be a lot less likely to stack for the above reasons.
Also - In regards to your comment about there being less players in BGs, that's just not true. In Vanilla I was on a server that was 4-1 horde to alliance, BG queue times were instant or 1-2min, every game I joined was full teams. I remember because I grinded to rank 13. Because the queue times were so fast as alliance on the server to get a top 5 standing you needed 1,000,000+ honor. The hordes top 5 standing was less than half of that because of their queue times being longer.
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I get the challenges associated with smaller server pops and queue times, and takes away from gameplay. While initially this may not be an issue, as time progresses and the server pops stabilize queue times may be detrimental.
If queue times get to be that much of an issue, then maybe Blizzard should consider a server merge. I know that isn't a popular idea because of character name uniqueness, but it preserves the sense of community that cross-realm (anything) destroys.
In the absence of server consolidation, micro cross-realm battlegroups consisting of 2-3 servers may be a solution that still helps preserve a sense of community.
EDIT: Hopefully, we will follow a traditional patch cycle and have plenty of time to examine queue times and community-friendly solutions.
If queue times get to be that much of an issue, then maybe Blizzard should consider a server merge. I know that isn't a popular idea because of character name uniqueness, but it preserves the sense of community that cross-realm (anything) destroys.
In the absence of server consolidation, micro cross-realm battlegroups consisting of 2-3 servers may be a solution that still helps preserve a sense of community.
EDIT: Hopefully, we will follow a traditional patch cycle and have plenty of time to examine queue times and community-friendly solutions.
You guys are funny.
Other threads:
"NO! NO CHANGES!" (but we totally don't want cross realm bgs even though they were in vanilla). So, you're asking for a change to vanilla.
Hypocritical.
Other threads:
"NO! NO CHANGES!" (but we totally don't want cross realm bgs even though they were in vanilla). So, you're asking for a change to vanilla.
Hypocritical.
PLEASE no cross realm BGs. Ruins the community feel for sure.
There needs to be a new system implemented by blizzard which keeps the Alliance:Horde ratio balanced for each server. This will fix the problem of long que times without implementing a cross-realm format.
There needs to be a new system implemented by blizzard which keeps the Alliance:Horde ratio balanced for each server. This will fix the problem of long que times without implementing a cross-realm format.
11/15/2017 07:43 AMPosted by MoltresI would vote yes for low levels, but no for 60.
I remember wanting to play bgs in the 30s and 40s bracket while leveling, but there were no pops. I think low level pvp would benefit from cross realms. Just my opinion.
edit: actually I change my mind. Xrealms existed in vanilla and let a lot of dead servers join in on the fun. Maybe you're not fighting the same people over and over, but I did start to recognize people in my battlegroup.
This is what I would support. Low level BGâs with battlegroup xrealm still gave you a community feeling and reasonable queue times.
Level 60 BGâs should be server only. Itâs just 10x more fun fighting against opponents you know.
11/09/2017 07:06 AMPosted by VaderzzI want real vanilla wow you should all go to legion
I don't see how asking for classes to be interesting and not broken for the sake of "staying true to vanilla" means we want to play legion and not just a better, more up to date version of Classic WoW, using what we have learned throughout years and years of playing this game.
11/16/2017 06:08 AMPosted by BlondfireYou guys are funny.
Other threads:
"NO! NO CHANGES!" (but we totally don't want cross realm bgs even though they were in vanilla). So, you're asking for a change to vanilla.
Hypocritical.
Cross-Realm BG's came at the tail end of vanilla. They were literally added in the final patch, before the pre-TBC expansion patch.
95% of the pvp I did in vanilla was before cross realm BGs even existed, BG's lost a lot of their appeal when you no longer recognized anyone hence why I stopped doing them. I returned to WoW for Legion and I still have the same issue with BGs, they just don't feel anywhere near as fun when you don't know who the hell you're playing against, and you don't care because you'll never see them again anyway.
11/16/2017 06:20 AMPosted by Coinberg11/16/2017 06:08 AMPosted by BlondfireYou guys are funny.
Other threads:
"NO! NO CHANGES!" (but we totally don't want cross realm bgs even though they were in vanilla). So, you're asking for a change to vanilla.
Hypocritical.
Cross-Realm BG's came at the tail end of vanilla. They were literally added in the final patch, before the pre-TBC expansion patch.
95% of the pvp I did in vanilla was before cross realm BGs even existed, BG's lost a lot of their appeal when you no longer recognized anyone hence why I stopped doing them. I returned to WoW for Legion and I still have the same issue with BGs, they just don't feel anywhere near as fun when you don't know who the hell you're playing against, and you don't care because you'll never see them again anyway.
But it was still in vanilla. Even if it was added late. By your logic I could just say "no naxxramas" as it was added at the end of vanilla and my argument would sound just as silly
Here is the solution:
The technology already exists for blizzard to monitor queue times in game. Think in LFR or LFD when satchels are selectively offered to various classes.
All battleground queues by default are server specific. You queue for a bg, you begin a pairing process against people on your server.
In the case of a detected imbalance in a server's PvP queue, a UI option appears for those players in the over represented faction. This option gives these players the choice of either remaining in the server specific bg queue, OR entering a crossrealm queue - their choice.
For players who want to only play against members of the opposing faction on their server, they still have this option. If they never want to encounter an off server player in PvP, they will never have to. It might mean they experience longer queue times... But it's 100% their choice.
Players in the over represented faction who choose to remain in the server specific queue will still experience reduced queue times as a result of a percentage of the PvP player population on their server "opting out" in favor of cross realm bgs.
Players who are more worried about queue times than a perfect sever only pvp experience will have access to crossrealm bgs.
Ur welcome
The technology already exists for blizzard to monitor queue times in game. Think in LFR or LFD when satchels are selectively offered to various classes.
All battleground queues by default are server specific. You queue for a bg, you begin a pairing process against people on your server.
In the case of a detected imbalance in a server's PvP queue, a UI option appears for those players in the over represented faction. This option gives these players the choice of either remaining in the server specific bg queue, OR entering a crossrealm queue - their choice.
For players who want to only play against members of the opposing faction on their server, they still have this option. If they never want to encounter an off server player in PvP, they will never have to. It might mean they experience longer queue times... But it's 100% their choice.
Players in the over represented faction who choose to remain in the server specific queue will still experience reduced queue times as a result of a percentage of the PvP player population on their server "opting out" in favor of cross realm bgs.
Players who are more worried about queue times than a perfect sever only pvp experience will have access to crossrealm bgs.
Ur welcome
11/16/2017 06:29 AMPosted by BlondfireBut it was still in vanilla. Even if it was added late. By your logic I could just say "no naxxramas" as it was added at the end of vanilla and my argument would sound just as silly
That comparison makes absolutely no sense in this situation. Naxx patch did not have any impact on the MMORPG/community aspect of WoW, cross-realm BGs did.
How hard is that to understand? can you not differentiate between changes that help destroy the community vs changes that just fix a bug or add new raids? Or are you just baiting for the maymays?
11/16/2017 06:50 AMPosted by Coinberg11/16/2017 06:29 AMPosted by BlondfireBut it was still in vanilla. Even if it was added late. By your logic I could just say "no naxxramas" as it was added at the end of vanilla and my argument would sound just as silly
That comparison makes absolutely no sense in this situation. Naxx patch did not have any impact on the MMORPG/community aspect of WoW, cross-realm BGs did.
How hard is that to understand? can you not differentiate between changes that help destroy the community vs changes that just fix a bug or add new raids? Or are you just baiting for the maymays?
Well that's your opinion that it destroyed the community. When they added cross bgs my wait time went from about 30 minutes to 5 minutes on my server and I remember how much fun we all had because now, we could actually pvp and not have to wait an insane amount of time. After a few days I started to recognize people from my battlegroup.
Just because you believe something destroyed the community doesnt make it true.
It was a feature in vanilla so I would like it added.