So if there's no cross realm battlegrounds (a vanilla feature by the way) and I'm on a horde dominant server.....I'll have to wait hours for a wsg to pop?
No thanks. I only want to play vanilla for the AV / WSG / AB and cross realm BG's was an authentic part of vanilla.
11/14/2017 10:18 PMPosted by Thegrimmgorvery off topic but who were you on bleeding hollow :D
I was on BH alliance in vanilla
Char name was Rejuvenate - was shadow priest, hit r13.
I remember having instant queues all the time as alliance on Bleeding hollow pretty much 24/7 before cross-realm bgs, so for me the whole cross BG thing was horrible because I went from having instant-queues and knowing everyone I queued against, to still having instant queues, but not knowing anyone I was facing, and never seeing them again after playing against them 1 time.
11/09/2017 07:27 AMPosted by InfluxsOr how about no battlegrounds at all..
Maybe you could do a server only thing where certain servers would permit BGs?
I have to agree that true vanilla would be like at 2004 launch and should too exist as a permanent template.
The solution is for Blizz to force server balance and lock out new toons of a particular faction when imbalance gets too high.
Or roll on a server that has the lower pop faction
Or roll on a server that has the lower pop faction
Cross realm bg would cause me to probably consider NOT playing Classic WoW. I am dead serious. And I have advocated for Classic WoW from the beginning.
I'm a vanilla purest all the way but I didn't mind cross-realm BGs. But was on an RP server. We usually got put up against the Grand Marshal group and it got annoying. It was nice to not be rolled by helmets every time we queued.
11/08/2017 10:59 PMPosted by LuggsternI think cross realm battle grounds destroyed server balances. If you were into pvp and your faction battle ground ques were too long then you just went to a server with a better que time.
After CR the server balances did not matter as much, witch is a huge problem for modern WoW
You essentially proved to yourself that Vanilla population balance was an issue by casually suggesting you just had to switch servers. That cost money or involved re-rolling. Re-rolling in Vanilla was a huge time investment.
CR tech did not ruin server balance. It was a way of helping to limit the negative impact of poor population balance, which has been a pervasive issue throughout all of WoW's history.
Faction balance isn't the only population balance issue either. Too many people without the use of sharding tech = potentially long queue times. Even if the population cap is significantly higher than a classic server, official classic servers will have a lot more players than private servers. They won't be able to have just one server unless they use sharding tech to keep zone population at reasonable levels.
Deserted server = nobody to do ANY group content with.
All the x-realm or even sharding naysayers are not looking at the big picture. You won't really want to wait in 2 hour queues (something Illidan players had to do at the start of many an expansion). You won't want to get stranded on a deserted server and have to start from scratch again after dozens of hours on a server that ends up being abandoned for whatever reason (this happened to many servers in WoW's history as well). You won't want to wait over an hour to get into a BG, even if it's a classic AV which may go on for hours.
11/09/2017 11:00 AMPosted by Influxs
Battlegrounds deny a player to experience the full level of epicness of Southshore vs Tarren Mill for example. So technically BGs did in fact harm World PVP.
Yes, something was lost, but I would argue that something greater (for me at least) was gained.
This will sound really sad, but some of the best times of my life were spent in AV...
I have great memories of actually traveling to Arathi highlands, queuing for Arath Basin and playing back to back rounds. I developed long term and daily rivals and that was what such a great experience. I'd gladly wait a longer queue time to have battleground foes that mean something. It also gives the opportunity to learn your nemesis's weaknessI would prefer no cross-realm BG's!
This is tough to answer. Is there only one server? Two? Twenty? One server clearly it is meaningless. Two? Matters a lot less because I will still get to know people. If its a ton? Heck no.
11/08/2017 04:56 PMPosted by Xjumthe best part about classic pvp is seeing the same guys on the other faction in every battleground
you develop rivalries and all that
top tier gameplay
Thats not a good part - fighting same dude over and over again.
I want challenge i want to be able to fight as many opponents as possible. Thats how you develop skill.
Cross realm bgs are a great part of vanilla wow and should stay in vanilla wow
11/08/2017 07:32 PMPosted by OopsüdiedRealm pops should ideally be healthy enough where cross-realm won't be necessary. I really doubt there will be more than four to six servers at most for this project. It's not like back then when there were plenty of different realms with the pop being stretched across them.
The realm pops were extremely healthy in vanilla. 6 something million players healthy. Yet queue times were so bad, battlegroups were formed. You won't have nearly the same amount of players. Not even a 20th / 30th of what you had back then. PvPers has always been the vast minority of the player base. We WILL run into the same issue where we have 15-20 minute queues. Maybe even longer. This problem will crop up.
Btw. Battlegroups were a part of classic.
11/09/2017 07:21 AMPosted by Mayraminher11/08/2017 11:37 PMPosted by Littlejohnny...
This so much this... Cross-realm/LFG/LFR and all the other shortcut bulls**t made it that way and most of us that were around before this know it. Everyone became an expendable anonymous nobody that can be replaced in a heartbeat. This more than anything is why I'm excited for vanilla, it may have been slow, painfull, and ugly at times but everyone knowing everyone else, and building a rep for yourself was the best part of this game.
I don't care if cross realm was added in 1.12 and was part of vanilla, I believe we can learn from the mistakes of the past. Please keep cross-realm anything out.
You are ALREADY changing Vanilla with the good and the bad. Did you guys not say we play Vanilla as it was and we know what we are getting into. But now all of a sudden you start saying things like " I dont care if it was added in 1.12 I dont want this Cross realm Bg..."
If you say we believe we can learn from MISTAKES, then allow other classes to be balanced to be viable for PVE. You see you will just create an slippery slope, and this came from you guys. Make up your mind!
Change one thing, be it adding or removing it from Classic and you are already opening the door for changes... Seriously, make up your mind!!
The community thrived without class balancing, but the sense of community died with cross realm matchmaking. I won’t go into detail, but there are plenty of reasons why class balancing is more harmful than beneficial to recreating the look and feel of classic wow.
11/15/2017 07:31 AMPosted by Grymdar11/09/2017 07:21 AMPosted by Mayraminher...
You are ALREADY changing Vanilla with the good and the bad. Did you guys not say we play Vanilla as it was and we know what we are getting into. But now all of a sudden you start saying things like " I dont care if it was added in 1.12 I dont want this Cross realm Bg..."
If you say we believe we can learn from MISTAKES, then allow other classes to be balanced to be viable for PVE. You see you will just create an slippery slope, and this came from you guys. Make up your mind!
Change one thing, be it adding or removing it from Classic and you are already opening the door for changes... Seriously, make up your mind!!
The community thrived without class balancing, but the sense of community died with cross realm matchmaking. I won’t go into detail, but there are plenty of reasons why class balancing is more harmful than beneficial to recreating the look and feel of classic wow.
No, no it didnt. If you want to play with friends just group queue
11/14/2017 10:39 PMPosted by Coinberg11/14/2017 10:18 PMPosted by Thegrimmgorvery off topic but who were you on bleeding hollow :D
I was on BH alliance in vanilla
Char name was Rejuvenate - was shadow priest, hit r13.
I remember having instant queues all the time as alliance on Bleeding hollow pretty much 24/7 before cross-realm bgs, so for me the whole cross BG thing was horrible because I went from having instant-queues and knowing everyone I queued against, to still having instant queues, but not knowing anyone I was facing, and never seeing them again after playing against them 1 time.
oh i remember the instant queues too. i also remember cross realm BGs really hurting our server due to BH having a pretty funny community full of forum banter and such and slowly watching it die as everyone stopped seeing each other. sad times.
its too early to say no cross realm BGs
what if they make too many servers and 6 months down the road your queue times are sky high? we need to see how the population pans out before we can make this call
what if they make too many servers and 6 months down the road your queue times are sky high? we need to see how the population pans out before we can make this call
11/15/2017 07:25 AMPosted by TonkadinThe realm pops were extremely healthy in vanilla. 6 something million players healthy. Yet queue times were so bad, battlegroups were formed.
Lots of vanilla servers were so dead that Blizzard did server merges and offered free transfers.
With the increased amount of players on a server due to modern server hardware things would probably be a bit different. If they carefully monitored server populations and did mergers if necessary then I think non-crossrealm BGs would work fine.
The real question is population management. How will it be handled? Will we have log in queues? Dead realms? Faction imbalance?
Cross-realm features were a way to address that.
It needs to be considered. There may be a compromise between the anonymity of matchmaking systems and community cohesion.
Cross-realm features were a way to address that.
It needs to be considered. There may be a compromise between the anonymity of matchmaking systems and community cohesion.
I would vote yes for low levels, but no for 60.
I remember wanting to play bgs in the 30s and 40s bracket while leveling, but there were no pops. I think low level pvp would benefit from cross realms. Just my opinion.
edit: actually I change my mind. Xrealms existed in vanilla and let a lot of dead servers join in on the fun. Maybe you're not fighting the same people over and over, but I did start to recognize people in my battlegroup.
I remember wanting to play bgs in the 30s and 40s bracket while leveling, but there were no pops. I think low level pvp would benefit from cross realms. Just my opinion.
edit: actually I change my mind. Xrealms existed in vanilla and let a lot of dead servers join in on the fun. Maybe you're not fighting the same people over and over, but I did start to recognize people in my battlegroup.
Intersting compromise.11/15/2017 07:43 AMPosted by MoltresI would vote yes for low levels, but no for 60.
I remember wanting to play bgs in the 30s and 40s bracket while leveling, but there were no pops. I think low level pvp would benefit from cross realms. Just my opinion.