Or how about no battlegrounds at all..
I'll take World PVP over BGs any day.
Just how classic are we going to get this vanilla release? Hopefully a version with NO battlegrounds! Let's actually emphasize wPvP in all it's glory for those who never experienced it.
11/08/2017 08:18 PMPosted by Mayraminher11/08/2017 08:05 PMPosted by EzeverFor what it's worth, I agree. Cross realms anything is not a good idea.
Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
Vanilla didn't have Cross-realm BG's in 2004 :P
HELL NO,
NO, CROSS REALM BS that we have on live right now. Worst thing for this game was cross realm / LFG / CRZ etc
NO, CROSS REALM BS that we have on live right now. Worst thing for this game was cross realm / LFG / CRZ etc
11/09/2017 08:03 AMPosted by Vivftw11/08/2017 08:18 PMPosted by Mayraminher...
Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
Vanilla didn't have Cross-realm BG's in 2004 :P
What.. 2004 to 2005 was just what 1 month away? just round that up jeez. Of course we would start at 1.1 just like at launch. CRBGs were announced in 1.12 so you will have plenty of time to enjoy server only BGs before they add that.
CRZs really killed BGs. it was a big help for Q times, but I would rather see them just combine lower pop realms together. having just 1 world really created a better experience. I still remember some of the horde opponents I would face in BGs month after month.
CRZ has absolutely nothing to do with battlegrounds. CRZ attempts to fills the zones out in the world with people.11/09/2017 09:07 AMPosted by ArkymCRZs really killed BGs.
The Meeting Stones worked fine. Yeah it sucked to still have to travel but they did work. Nothing beyond that for me.
I guess I should clarify. I donāt want Blizzard to start on 1.12 patch. Iād like to start closer to the beginning when there was no cross realm BGs, or queueing in a major city, etc....
You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12??
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You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about it.
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
In which way am i trolling, im stating facts sir. Facts that we all have been clamoring for days about no changes to Classic AT ALL, yet you come here to ask for changes, please explain yourself.
If it means starting in 1.4, 1.8, or whatever, and playing in that patch for 3+ months, and then eventually moving on to 1.12, thatās cool.
But if they want to recreate the vanilla experience it needs to start BEFORE 1.12, and eventually work itās way up to that.
11/08/2017 04:50 PMPosted by Zulrichstart with no cross realms. hopefully realm pops are plenty healthy for BGs
Even if they are not, I would gladly take longer queues over wrecking the sense of community.
11/09/2017 09:26 AMPosted by Keylogthis...I guess I should clarify. I donāt want Blizzard to start on 1.12 patch. Iād like to start closer to the beginning when there was no cross realm BGs, or queueing in a major city, etc.
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
In which way am i trolling, im stating facts sir. Facts that we all have been clamoring for days about no changes to Classic AT ALL, yet you come here to ask for changes, please explain yourself.
If it means starting in 1.4, 1.8, or whatever, and playing in that patch for 3+ months, and then eventually moving on to 1.12, thatās cool.
But if they want to recreate the vanilla experience it needs to start BEFORE 1.12, and eventually work itās way up to that.
Basically agree. Launch the server free of the bugs/exploits/crash issues. Follow the patch history timeline in which things were added. Gives Classic Servers 4 years to come together and get to the point of 1.12 and work with Devs on how to move forward.
11/08/2017 08:20 PMPosted by Mayraminher11/08/2017 08:17 PMPosted by KeylogthisNo cross realm BGs, please.
See, above. We will be getting Vanilla as it was back in the day with Cross realm BGs being implemented in 1.12.
Please stop asking for changes!!
#keepvanillavanilla
You don't have anything better to do than troll do you?
14 million people playing...QoL starts to hit...then expansion hit....population starts to decline...and decline...and decline.
There is a reason we don't want cross server anything...you might not understand it but us older players who quit....we get it.
11/09/2017 09:13 AMPosted by NokĆ11/09/2017 07:27 AMPosted by InfluxsOr how about no battlegrounds at all..
I'll take World PVP over BGs any day.
Just how classic are we going to get this vanilla release? Hopefully a version with NO battlegrounds! Let's actually emphasize wPvP in all it's glory for those who never experienced it.
World PvP was still very much a thing regardless of battlegrounds, because people were still out in the world doing stuff and not flying above it or teleporting to each dungeon/raid via group finder.
Battlegrounds increase the PvP variety and frequency, they do not harm it.
Battlegrounds deny a player to experience the full level of epicness of Southshore vs Tarren Mill for example. So technically BGs did in fact harm World PVP.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5qjkmh/what_was_south_shore_vs_tarren_mill/
But what really put the zone into full blown war, was the patch where they implemented the PvP rank system http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.4.0 ā¦ before they released the battlegrounds. So the entire game people would just roll around in groups and fight each other. During this timeā¦ The space between South Shore and Tarren mill was crazyā¦ Horde would zerg their way to SS until some moron argro the SS guardsā¦ Then the alliance would take advantage and zerg there way to Tarren mill, till some moron would aggro the guardsā¦ back and forth, all day all night and it was fun as hell :)
11/09/2017 09:17 AMPosted by DerkhammerCRZ has absolutely nothing to do with battlegrounds. CRZ attempts to fills the zones out in the world with people.11/09/2017 09:07 AMPosted by ArkymCRZs really killed BGs.
cross realm BGs, whatever u want to call it. u know what I meant.
11/09/2017 09:11 AMPosted by NokĆThe problem is how do we make the argument that we want classic experience and then argue against something that was in classic?
Because Cross Realm BGs were introduced at the tail end of vanilla, and many people at the time were vehemently against it, rightfully so. I would put Cross Realm BGs in the same category as not wanting a major glitch in the game.
No they don't. There's nothing stopping people from going out and picking a fight and starting a battle up.11/09/2017 11:00 AMPosted by InfluxsBattlegrounds deny a player to experience the full level of epicness of Southshore vs Tarren Mill for example. So technically BGs did in fact harm World PVP.
This is purely a mindset problem, not a BG problem. In Vanilla, honor wasn't a spendable currency you could grind out so there was no "I must do this one thing so that I can gear up as quickly and efficiently as possible." You had to kill other players to get honor and hope you killed enough to move up in the ranks. You could do that out in the world or in BGs. There was TONS of world PvP in Arathi, Hillsbrad/Alterac and Barrens/Ashenvale while people were waiting for a spot to open up.
Please, no. The most fun I had in bgs in vanilla was learning my enemy. The opposite faction on your server was your nemesis. I knew player names. They knew me. People had reputations, you developed rivalries.
I understand the benefit of lesser queues and/or more equal teams. But I don't think that'll be that big of an issue on classic realms. There will be less realms, so more players per realm (Blizz has boasted their new technology also allows a lot more players on each server). The problem in vanilla was having to spread out the playerbase through so many servers that these imbalances took place. Which shouldn't happen on classic servers.
I understand the benefit of lesser queues and/or more equal teams. But I don't think that'll be that big of an issue on classic realms. There will be less realms, so more players per realm (Blizz has boasted their new technology also allows a lot more players on each server). The problem in vanilla was having to spread out the playerbase through so many servers that these imbalances took place. Which shouldn't happen on classic servers.
i think no at launch yes later when the servers have population issues or balance
They were only added in due to population imbalances, right? (And probably as a prelude to Arenas in TBC.) I doubt that, if they go with 1.12.1 as a base, they'll be needed when Classic launches, since there might only be a few servers anyway (thanks to increased sizes).
11/09/2017 08:09 AMPosted by Mayraminher
What.. 2004 to 2005 was just what 1 month away? just round that up jeez. Of course we would start at 1.1 just like at launch. CRBGs were announced in 1.12 so you will have plenty of time to enjoy server only BGs before they add that.
And by 1.12 you might welcome the change because you're on a server with a 1 hour wait for a bg to get filled.
I was on a server that had long, long waits for pops and welcomed the change.
very off topic but who were you on bleeding hollow :D