11/08/2017 04:56 PMPosted by Xjumthe best part about classic pvp is seeing the same guys on the other faction in every battleground
you develop rivalries and all that
top tier gameplay
Exactly, and cross realm PvP killed that immediately.
Exactly, and cross realm PvP killed that immediately.
11/08/2017 08:17 PMPosted by KeylogthisNo cross realm BGs, please.
See, above. We will be getting Vanilla as it was back in the day with Cross realm BGs being implemented in 1.12.
Please stop asking for changes!!
#keepvanillavanilla
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11/08/2017 08:17 PMPosted by KeylogthisNo cross realm BGs, please.
See, above. We will be getting Vanilla as it was back in the day with Cross realm BGs being implemented in 1.12.
Please stop asking for changes!!
way to lawyer it up.... Seriously, hell no.
#keepvanillavanilla
Server only BGs were the highlight of vanilla pvp. They just need some sort of balance to keep the que reasonable.
It may not be an issue with "vanilla reloaded" project. There will be way less servers, and much smaller player base.
It may not be an issue with "vanilla reloaded" project. There will be way less servers, and much smaller player base.
11/08/2017 08:18 PMPosted by Mayraminher11/08/2017 08:05 PMPosted by EzeverFor what it's worth, I agree. Cross realms anything is not a good idea.
Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about it.
11/08/2017 08:33 PMPosted by Hushups11/08/2017 08:18 PMPosted by Mayraminher...
Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12??...
Sorry, We WILL get cross realm BGs as thats part of the authentic Vanilla of 2004 5 we were ALL been asking for... dont you remember our favorite lines:
#keepvanillavanilla with the good, bad n ugly, right??? So stop asking for changes!
You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about it.
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
In which way am i trolling, im stating facts sir. Facts that we all have been clamoring for days about no changes to Classic AT ALL, yet you come here to ask for changes, please explain yourself.
I play live and enjoy it for what it is. But IMO, the magic of Vanilla/TBC was the community (with epic attunements and constant !@#$ to do in a close second). You lived or died in that game based on your Rep. I've been saying for years that WoW lost my 100% support in Wrath, with the LFD system. I didn't know it at the time, but after i sat down one day during MoP and realized I hadn't made a friend in this game since TBC, I knew exactly why. You didnt need friends anymore. You need a guild if you're doing serious progression raiding, but that alone isn't enough for people to bond, considering you can (and I often do) do everything else in the game alone.
I've never been into PvP for real, but I can imagine a similar feeling.
I'm sure I can live with whatever changes they decide to make (I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR CHANGES), BUT I AM VEHEMENTLY AGAINST QUEUING SYSTEMS OR CROSS-REALM OF ANY KIND.
I've never been into PvP for real, but I can imagine a similar feeling.
I'm sure I can live with whatever changes they decide to make (I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR CHANGES), BUT I AM VEHEMENTLY AGAINST QUEUING SYSTEMS OR CROSS-REALM OF ANY KIND.
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You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12??
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You're assuming the patch Blizzard will use. There are many to choose from. If the feedback is that CRBG is bad, Blizzard is less likely to use the patch that added them. Even though you're obviously trolling, just trying to throw phrases back into people's faces, try not to be so obvious about it.
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
In which way am i trolling, im stating facts sir. Facts that we all have been clamoring for days about no changes to Classic AT ALL, yet you come here to ask for changes, please explain yourself.
I'm not asking for changes. My preference is that Classic does not include CRBG. That means I prefer any patch before that change. I'm not asking for a modified version of 1.12.
In the end, whichever version Blizzard decides to use for Classic, I want that version restored as closely as possible.
11/08/2017 04:26 PMPosted by CoinbergHas this been discussed properly yet?
I remember back in vanilla when Cross-Realm BGs hit live I was very disappointed. I was in a high population US server (Bleeding Hollow) and always had instant-queue or <1minute queue times for battlegrounds 24/7. I understand this change was necessary for lower population realms since they had very long queue times.
I still remember actually playing on the PTR for patch 1.12, before it even hit live servers I remember feeling like it was a bad idea, something just felt off about it. When Patch 1.12 hit live servers I finally realised why it was such a bad idea. I no longer recognized anyone in the battlegrounds, the BG's were full of people I would never see again in the game. I believe this was the first BIG "QoL" change I had ever experienced that took away from the community feel. Rarely if ever would I ever see anyone that I recognized from the world inside BG's anymore. I remember BG's being added and people complaining that this killed world PvP, but you still at least had the community feel to BG's when the BGs were full of people from only your server.
The issue here is that this "QoL" change happened during vanilla, and before the TBC pre-patch, so it makes it a lot more difficult to debate whether or not we have it or not. It's easy to say 'no' to suggestions about implementing TBC/WOTLK (and so on) QoL changes, but I feel this particular issue is going to be a hard one.
You are assuming there will be more than one server.
11/08/2017 08:54 PMPosted by Hushups...
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
In which way am i trolling, im stating facts sir. Facts that we all have been clamoring for days about no changes to Classic AT ALL, yet you come here to ask for changes, please explain yourself.
I'm not asking for changes. My preference is that Classic does not include CRBG. That means I prefer any patch before that change. I'm not asking for a modified version of 1.12.
In the end, whichever version Blizzard decides to use for Classic, I want that version restored as closely as possible.
Okay, so let us pick patch 1.11. That way we avoid 1.12 which has CRBGs right. BUT in case there are population issues with the horde outnumbering the alliance because FOTM (undead racial) in various servers, we SHOULD NOT ask blizzard to add CRBGs again since you have already preferred to avoid that one feature for the betterment of stronger communities.
And bare in mind, from asking Blizzard to put CRBGs yet again to fix unpredictable population issues, you are going the slippery slope route that purists dont want to go through, next thing we will be asking for Blizzard nerfing Undead racial, and so on.
So, agreed on NO CRBGs?
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I'm not asking for changes. My preference is that Classic does not include CRBG. That means I prefer any patch before that change. I'm not asking for a modified version of 1.12.
In the end, whichever version Blizzard decides to use for Classic, I want that version restored as closely as possible.
Okay, so let us pick patch 1.11. That way we avoid 1.12 which has CRBGs right. BUT in case there are population issues with the horde outnumbering the alliance because FOTM (undead racial) in various servers, we SHOULD NOT ask blizzard to add CRBGs again since you have already preferred to avoid that one feature for the betterment of stronger communities.
And bare in mind, from asking Blizzard to put CRBGs yet again to fix unpredictable population issues, you are going the slippery slope route that purists dont want to go through, next thing we will be asking for Blizzard nerfing Undead racial, and so on.
So, agreed on NO CRBGs?
Personally, I prefer the population imbalance. Insta-queues are great. My wife and I had so much fun rerolling to horde (our server was alliance heavy) and playing game after game with the same people. No waiting. Lots of steamrolls. It was great.
If Blizzard can manage populations better to aim for more balance, I'm okay with that. Maybe the server populations can be higher so it's less of a problem? It'll be interesting to see what decisions they make with the servers, H:A balance, and population overall.
However, my personal preference is no CRBG. Should Blizzard decide to go with 1.12 (seems to be the most popular around here), only then would I want CRBG as maintaining patch integrity is most important to me.
Yes, I am assuming that at some point we will fall in the 1.12 patch to recreate the experiences of those days. Are you saying Blizzard should stop 1.9 so that we dont get to 1.12?
From what I've seen and what I've read Blizzard haven't formulated concrete plans on which patch they are going to bring to Classic and are specifically wanting feedback from the community on it.
Transcript from the World of Warcraft Q & A Panel -
Cleavis from Onslaught asked -
“My question is regarding World of Warcraft Classic and I’m wondering do you plan the bugs , exploits and other issues we may or may not remember from Vanilla wow or do you have a philosophy at this point of warts and all to get that authentic experience?”
J Allen Brack “That’s a really good question and it’s a complicated one.So I think part of the reason -- one of things we did talk about in the announcement is this is going to take a little bit longer then you might imagine and part of that is to engage with you guys the community to talk about some of these concerns , to talk about some of these issues. I think our philosophy is , you know , to have a compass heading that is to re-create the level 1-60 experience as you remember it. I think there were bugs and exploits that led to crashes and led to service down time. Obviously we don’t want that to be part of the experience. But there are going to be some questions that are really interesting that we’re going to have to answer in terms of how things worked at certain points during the two years that the 1 through 60 experience existed. You know there’s all kinds of things that come to mind but the one I’ll bring up is UBRS for a lot of the time was both a 10 player instance and a 5 player instance and then as we got closer to releasing burning crusade we got rid of the 10 player instance. What’s the right version of Classic? That’s something we have to talk about for sure.
I think cross realm battle grounds destroyed server balances. If you were into pvp and your faction battle ground ques were too long then you just went to a server with a better que time.
After CR the server balances did not matter as much, witch is a huge problem for modern WoW
After CR the server balances did not matter as much, witch is a huge problem for modern WoW
11/08/2017 08:41 PMPosted by HalifirianI didn't know it at the time, but after i sat down one day during MoP and realized I hadn't made a friend in this game since TBC, I knew exactly why. You didnt need friends anymore.
This so much this... Cross-realm/LFG/LFR and all the other shortcut bulls**t made it that way and most of us that were around before this know it. Everyone became an expendable anonymous nobody that can be replaced in a heartbeat. This more than anything is why I'm excited for vanilla, it may have been slow, painfull, and ugly at times but everyone knowing everyone else, and building a rep for yourself was the best part of this game.
I don't care if cross realm was added in 1.12 and was part of vanilla, I believe we can learn from the mistakes of the past. Please keep cross-realm anything out.
Let pvp gear be better than pve gear when zg is out, more players will pvp if pvp gear is better than pve gear when zg is out. when aq is out pve gear will be better than pvp gear. Ban Devilsaur Mafia
I agree, I don't want cross realm anything!
I want real vanilla wow, you all want to ruin vanilla wow. legion is the game for you.
I want real vanilla wow you should all go to legion
The cross-realm change was wonderful for me and several friends. One of the guilds on Spinebreaker put together a massive battlegroup-wide collective and we used to queue up together for AB AV and WSG. What times those were. Would not have been possible without cross-realm.
11/08/2017 11:37 PMPosted by Littlejohnny11/08/2017 08:41 PMPosted by HalifirianI didn't know it at the time, but after i sat down one day during MoP and realized I hadn't made a friend in this game since TBC, I knew exactly why. You didnt need friends anymore.
This so much this... Cross-realm/LFG/LFR and all the other shortcut bulls**t made it that way and most of us that were around before this know it. Everyone became an expendable anonymous nobody that can be replaced in a heartbeat. This more than anything is why I'm excited for vanilla, it may have been slow, painfull, and ugly at times but everyone knowing everyone else, and building a rep for yourself was the best part of this game.
I don't care if cross realm was added in 1.12 and was part of vanilla, I believe we can learn from the mistakes of the past. Please keep cross-realm anything out.
You are ALREADY changing Vanilla with the good and the bad. Did you guys not say we play Vanilla as it was and we know what we are getting into. But now all of a sudden you start saying things like " I dont care if it was added in 1.12 I dont want this Cross realm Bg..."
If you say we believe we can learn from MISTAKES, then allow other classes to be balanced to be viable for PVE. You see you will just create an slippery slope, and this came from you guys. Make up your mind!
Change one thing, be it adding or removing it from Classic and you are already opening the door for changes... Seriously, make up your mind!!