Bias from the writer.
Basically the whole sundering and genocides on trolls during Azshara aera is yours to claim as you are basically the decendants of these elves.
Well, our people can beat on Naaru and be seen as OK by Night Elves who choose such a Covenant.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Your list lost me when you placed Arthas’ actions as an Alliance war crime, my guy. Also most of these… in fact, 80% of them, do not even count as war crimes. For a lot of them you literally have things that are done in war that aren’t specifically crimes. MILITARY ACTIVITY IS NOT A WAR CRIME.
He had to try… I mean else the list for the Alliance would have been very short.
And that would have told a different story and narrative he tried to tell.
Nah, a lot of the Hordeside ones are reaching as well, this isn’t just an Alliance thing in my opinion.
Very impressive work there, although I hate to be the one to kill any pride you might have in this work. I have to say that most of this will be argued, sidestepped, and ignored, for one very important reason. Azeroth has no equivalent to the Hague Conventions on Earth. None of the nations on Azeroth have agreed to any specific universal rules of war or war crimes.
Nightborne
-Continued support of genocidal regime
If you’re going to make this flimsy claim against the Nightborne, it has to be made for every race in the Horde, particularly the long-standing races of the Horde.
You actually thought a fledgling race completely new to the world was going to be leading the charge against the corrupt leader of a faction they only just joined? When it counted, the Nightborne stood with the camp that opposed Sylvanas.
I don’t think you can really hold Azshara/Kael’thas/Elisande against their respective races when their current regimes overthrew them for the exact behavior you outlined. At no point were they ever party to the crimes of their mad leader; these betrayals to the Legion and acts against their own people were the impetus for rebellion in all three cases.
Nightborne probably have a larger percentage of civilians who toed the line with Elisande than the night and blood elves, but even then it’s Elisande’s deposer and all of her fellow rebels who make policy now.
ITT comparing the Alliance’s jaywalking to the Horde’s mass murder.
I would argue the mechagnomes did not try and destroy the world. They actively rebelled against the faction that wanted to mechanize everyone and fought to save the world.
it was pretty funny when I got the orc section. that one is uhh very different to the rest. even the forsaken seem like carebares compared to what the orcs have done while under the influence of demon blood
Also:
Apart from aiding a faction responsible for genocide ofcourse.
War crimes are stupid In Azeroth because we’d have to establish something that both sides have agreed are absolutely forbidden , which both sides could be capable of but don’t because it would do way more harm than good.
Which we haven’t done what so ever, they tried with blight before the writers realized in the world of Azeroth blight is pretty tame compared to all the other stuff that can be done in the world.
Also this list most of these aren’t even war crime tier, it’s just more so races or factions being a holes, blizzard will probably never name something a war crime because then you’d just ask what stops these cults or crazies we deal with normally from stealing and using it.
The only thing I could think of being war crime tier is using powerful artifacts in war because of how strong they normally are, but even that’s iffy with the amount of artifacts we run into and use on the daily.
You’re placing blame on the Alliance because Arthas deceived the Alliance?
Well, the problem is that some posters make blanket declarations and then we have run through the the reasons why “our side did nothing wrong” every time. The same old arguments, every time, one by one, back and forth.
If we could get some summary of the arguments both sides want to end with, that might speed things up. I mean maybe, for Dalaran, you have Horde points listed. That people were killed for just trying to withdraw money, you don’t have a right to expect people to submit to racially motivated arrest, and that doing this meets the definition of ethnic cleansing.
Then you list whatever counter argument the Aliance is will to make.
You might let each side keep working on their side without touching the others. Though you would need a way to police this.
At least then, someone could point to the end of the argument and address that, rather than repeating the whole thing over and over until someone gives up.
[BTW, you forgot the destruction of the Stonespire Tribe.]
Yeah! I mean its not like Sylvanas deceived the Horde! Wait…
I stopped reading when I read arthas name under joint alliance
Excuse me?
im going to give op the benefit of doubt and believe he had good intentions, however i believe this thread… is a waste of time, and that is coming from someone that has thought of doing this thread several times nobody will appreciate it and everyone will have a different idea of what is a war crime like… just look at the guys advocating for arthas’ actions as ALLIANCE, then we can include GUL DAN as horde, everything always spirals backwards in a victimization spiral.
Well if he is gonna count arthas, we have to count gul’dan and blackhand, its just how it is, arthas never was in the current alliance