I forgot about that part, but yes… The lack of people actually caring about the BG certainly did escalate.
AFK players became kinda common after 1.12, I had forgotten about that as well because they knew nameless guy on random pug group was not going to report em.
People acted like dbags on server only BG’s as well, they just acted more entitled because they knew you couldn’t get away from them like you can in CRBG’s.
I’m fine keeping them under the same sub. I just wish they would offer a box price to get access to exclusive servers separate from the free ones. I just don’t see how they can keep classic servers populated with committed players when we will have to deal with trials, tourists, and the influx every time retail hits a drought.
As someone that just wants to play classic, I don’t want half my server to be BFA players that only play when they are done with BFA.
Community hates LFG because it is populated with players from other servers ruining the community
Community loves CRBG because it is populated with players from other servers which…doesn’t ruin the community?
huh, weird.
One issue with single server BG is it makes win-trading significantly easier to collaborate. I remember it being a problem on my server prior to cross realm.
Very telling.
Was that actually happening and you experienced it? Was this a popular rumor? I know win-trading took place in modern WoW for RBG, but it would not be a shocker to find that some very disgusting people were doing so 14 years ago…
Not a lot changes over time, we like to imagine things change but in reality it’s roughly the same as it’s always been and nothing really changes it.
…Blizzard uses a crappy matchmaking formula. Vanilla Xrealm BGs did not use a crappy formula, it used a very simple tried and true method of first come first serve. TBC changed everything.
People seem to forget that on a lot of servers there were only around 3-5 of each bg going at any one time. When Xrealm BGs hit you suddenly had around 10-15. If you do the math, thats still only around 500 people playing pvp in the battle group at a time vs the million or so that retail probably has. Of course, I never play peak hours so having the shorter queues let me play more than one bg a night.
Do you ever think it’s the actual players that contribute to whether horde or alliance win vs CRBG’s fault?
In legion and 1st season of BFA i played a TON of bgs. I played an ALLIANCE warrior and have been rank one multiple times. Bging with a group of casual friends we’d win 90%+ of the games when actually grouped. Solo queing can definitely be a nightmare but CRBG’s aren’t the issue, it’s player skill distribution…
What they were doing was queue dodging which was much more relevant for honor than win trading. And single server queues make that much easier, just hope in a chat with the other faction’s team and make sure you don’t queue at the same time.
Win trading existed on my server in the early morning hours. it was proven and the forum trashtalking was great.
I agree with you there, and I did not get into why that is in the original post because when you build a wall of text people tend to just not read it.
Player distribution follows trends; you know that. How are those trends started? High ranked players who select a faction because they want to win. At the top tier of play the racials actually do make a difference. However that’s just not true at the lower tiers of play, but these people feel like it does any way. Unfortunately they are looking at the top tier of players to get the best possible outcome for their game play. As a result they copy the top guys.
You’re 100% correct its the the players fault fully. CRBG is not at fault for individual wins and losses.
The reason that CRBG exacerbates the issues is simply; when people start to feel that difference in faction skill because all the best playes in addition to most of the “decent” players have migrated over to a single faction, then the balance of power shifts drastically for the solo Q player.
As much as I would love to say “Q with friends” that’s unfortunately not the answer because most BG players are solo Q and no matter what you tell them about team work or group play they will turn a nose at that and ignore you.
CRBG makes the problem worse because it enables fast Q’s in the short term, but in the long run the Q’s get long for whatever PVP faction has the most players; they don’t even need to be the dominant population on a server or even dominant population on all the servers.
Without CRBG there is a mechanism in play for the individual player to actually select a Faction they enjoy rather than the faction they feel is going to help them win, because the servers are not linked together, as a result they are likely to select a server where they can play their selected race / class combo in a community.
That community is very helpful because it actually promotes team play. When players are surrounded by a lot of the same players often rather than constnatly new faces they are more likely to become friends with someone in the BG community and that opens a lot of opportunity for them on the individual basis.
However with CRBG the solo player is less likely to become involved with the community and in turn QQ at every possible thing due to their unwillingness to play with friends.
Community is what Classic WoW is about, and that’s why the BG’s before CRBG were way more fun, more interesting and in reality more competitive.
Also does not help that most of the best players migrated over to Arena almost exclusively, but that’s another can of worms.
I know I did not add a ton of backstory to anything in the OP, and that was intentional, thanks for the civilized dialog.
How do you propose to ensure even factions? If we can achieve this, CRBGs should not be necessary the vast majority of servers. (At least at at high levels)
Faction queues are the best proposal I have seen so far. I suppose Blood Elves would also work again, but they are not an option outside of possible TBC servers in the future.
I have seen some really good ideas floated on the forum.
Information at server selection: this gives the player the information they need to wisely choose their faction on that server.
Server mergers or Free sanctioned transfers where needed: If blizzard is wise they will do this any way to help control server populations from becoming too small or too large or imbalanced… This is a tool that should be used cautiously, but it’s a tool that will unavoidably be used eventually.
no cross realm battle games will result in very long queue times that will keep on getting longer and longer as time goes on, people who work odd hours will be screwed, I can for one can live with crbgs.
Yes, ruin entire server communities so you can play CoD WoW.
I knew players who admitted to doing it. Of course, there were rumors abound lol. Every High Warlord was accused of it. Players I knew at the time that did it claimed it was the only possible way of obtaining r14. I believed them. Never experienced it personally, I didn’t get into rank grind until after 1.12 and cross realm happened.
You realize there’s virtually 0% for non CRBG’s. The possible BEST result you could hope for is realm specific first then X months down the road release CRBG’s.
We all realize the community aspect of playing with realm specific players and especially against target enemy’s you grow familiar seeing, but the wait time argument definitely outweighs the latter.
Virtually 0%? Sweet calculations. I’d say it’s about 50/50, but realistically–it’s just pulling numbers from my butt.
The wait time argument doesn’t outweigh the latter unless you don’t value the community at all. Which seems apparent for you.
Sadly Op is right. Alliance suck at pvp. Which is why I am rolling alliance.
I played BFA and rolled horde. LITERALLY NOTHING TO KILL WPVP.
If I did find and alliance who was warmode he was getting pounded into the ground by 7 hordes.
Alliance are such wimps when it comes to WPVP.
I rolled alliance on a Pserver and literally confirmed EVERYTHING.
Alliance do not like PVP.
So when vanilla comes out… I actually want to wpvp so I will be rolling alliance.
Would rather fight me vs 8 then 8 of us vs 1 dwarf.
Some of those serious players will be rolling alliance in classic I think. Alliance has the PvE edge. PvE edge means getting sweet loots from raid bosses to use in PvP to bash people’s heads in with.
We shall see how the chips fall.