Imagine how many guilds like this are out there that didn’t have a congressperson bring light to them.
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The more I learn the more Blizzard disgusts me on a visceral level
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When companies become complacent, the first people to notice are the people whose behavior would be unacceptable when they weren’t.
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So I’m 40 min in that Discord conversation now, cause I’m a masochist. They’re crying about how awful the world is becoming because actions have consequences.
These are some man children. Someone said they’re a 44 year old man and I’m hearing them whine about actions being taken against them.
Listening to them speak and their tone shifting on certain topics, you know what kind of people they are. It’s really sad to hear these adults talk like this.
If someone is on Grobb, apparently they’ve splintered into a few guilds. Atlas and Loyalty are the only ones I can confirm.
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Really makes you think about how Blizzard basically camped out on Wyrmrest for a week during the Hong Kong controversy, zapping threads left and right within hours and giving Zenrao a vacation for someone else saying that they’d love to see a thread about him having died, but apparently a guild that promotes itself by saying “women are garbage” is out of their reach. 
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As an easy, offhand remark, I’m reminded of how I’ve heard how literal terrorist organizations and the like actually use things like mmos to exchange information and recruit because of how they can do so easily without fear of being recognized or acted on.
And how this also goes for basically any avenue of hatred.
Because business cares about money and the easiest way to deal with it is to completely wash your hands of the human element interacting with your product.
It’s explicitly and without any pretense of deniability, complicity in hatred and bigotry. But because it’s about money, they get away with it.
Anyways, we should be eating the rich and supplanting the boomers but this is life.
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I’m skeptical, we have some hints at an unpruning and a potentially new borrowed power system via covenants. We have a year of development time at most, know nothing about how the classes work, how much content will be in the Shadowlands, what’s being done for professions and no indication that they’ve learned anything from BFA except for the fallacious thinking of “Well they wouldn’t do something that stupid AGAIN!” since we’re in our second flop since WoD now.
I’m hopeful, but not optimistic.
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I like to think that right after Sylv says “And I will set us all FREE!” she looks down at Bolvar and nods, maybe goes “… later scrub,” and just jumps up and keeps going well into the Shadowlands.
“How tf does she do that??”
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Can agree with you on most points. I am sick of Sylvanas too, while the character is interesting the path they’re giving her is not. She isn’t acting anything like the books says she would and are even retconning a bunch of her personality and reasoning attributes to her actions.
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What disappoints me most about modern Sylvanas is that she never tried to get Alleria and Turalyon on her side.
They both hate the horde yes, but only because of what they did to their homeland, and right now both of their homelands are part of the horde.
She could have brought all their old friends from Silvermoon to tell Alleria what they’ve been through since she left, the dark powers they almost succumbed to, and how the horde helped them throughout the years.
And the sneaky, manipulative Sylvanas would have brought some forsaken who in life were Turalyon’s friends, to tell him of how the former people of Lordaeron suffered since he left, but that they’ve managed to carve out an existence for themselves in a hostile world. Turalyon has been fighting strange, unfathomable horrors on alien worlds for a thousand years now, and has even learned to be more accepting of his wife’s void tendencies. He could be open-minded enough to accept his old countrymen, despite their condition.
And im not saying any of these strategies would have even worked necessarily, just that it would have been more in-character for the manipulative, clever Sylvanas to at least try to get at these important, powerful people who she has several means of approaching and trying to persuade to do her bidding.
Instead she seems to alienate everyone on purpose. Not sneaky at all.
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Blizzard sinoly doesnt plan ahead like that. They operate under “wouldnt it be cool if…”
Lest we forget this was their response to whether the Vindicaar would show up in BfA:
“We have this broad palette to draw from when we’re coming up with these conflicts,” said Danuser. “[…] But what we need to do whenever we’re crafting these stories is to say ‘OK, what are the big things and key characters we want to focus on. To pull in everyone would dilute the experience. We wanted to focus on key characters like Sylvanas, Anduin, Saurfang, Greymane, the embodiment of their sides, and really show that gritty, in-your-face, toe-to-toe, siege-towers-against-tower-walls [action]. That was the story we wanted to tell. It was a choice to focus on those elements instead of the situation we just showed off in Legion .”
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God the Vindicaar situation is by far the funniest f’ing thing about most (not all) of BfA.
“Hey you guys literally just introduced this incredibly relevant piece of military hardware (fanon deflection about “strengths/weaknesses” nonwithstanding), why uhh… Why didn’t we see that at all?”
“Oh we chose to not.”
“You… Pardon?”
“Yeah we just didn’t. That’s all.”
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If there was even an in-game line or two about “Uh-oh, the Vindicaar just ran out of fuel - we’ll try to fix it but we’re not sure we can”, it would be 100 times better.
Sure, it may be annoying to have all these plot elements you don’t want to write. But that means you also have a lot of plot elements to use to cancel each other out. It doesn’t even need a cinematic or a dedicated quest - but some way of mentioning it is much, much better than flat-out ignoring it.
Hopefully that’s where the game is going, with all the neat scattered conversations reacting to the ceasefire.
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The quote should be framed and hung above Blizzard HQ.
Its just the perfect microcosm demonstrating the sheer breadth of their laziness.
this gaping plot hole could’ve been solved with 20 seconds of broadcast text.
“Nope, dont want to”
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Not that we don’t all get it already but it will never not be funny that they were asked about it and their plan was literally to ignore it.
Story may not be gameplay but at no point does a company that is caught admitting to basically praying the consumers don’t catch something deserve any continued faith.
Not like Blizzard has a history of ignoring gameplay concerns, feedback, outright bugs / exploits, or rampant bigotry and death threats.
Haha that would be crazy.
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Didn’t they also admit that the plan was to literally copy Mists of Pandaria?
It’s almost like when they don’t care, we don’t get good games.
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Yes,
They said something to the effect of not adequately exploring what the Horde was, so lets look at that again.
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Blizzard says a lot of things and I don’t know if I should use the last tattered thread of respect for their incredibly dumb honesty, or if I should just be ashamed of their marketing team for not handing these people scripts.
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And it turns out they didn’t do that again. Heck, they even went backwards.
“Horde is family” was a lame revelation for MoP, to be sure, but “Horde clings together so long as one of them doesn’t get their feelings hurt” is much worse.
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The Vindicaar is such a stupid situation because they literally can explain it easily in 30 seconds if they honestly wanted to. The Draenei find themselves off the coast of a now nominally hostile continent. The Lightforged are ready to BURN IN HOLY FIRE, and Velen manages to get them to setting for hovering over the Exodar ready to burn any ship or zeppelin stupid enough to get into range.
Velen’s not letting the Vindicaar go because he’s afraid what will happen to the Exodar - he’s not letting the Vindicaar go because he’s afraid what the Lightforged will do if he allows them off the leash.
BOOM! There. Vindicaar is dealt with both now and in the future.
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