Much better, I think, is spending time questioning why Warcraft spends so much effort trying to get you to dislike women whose only initial flaw was being slighted by a man.
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But i mean. I know the answer. YOU know the answer.
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It is phenomenally boring to slog through another expansion where the women are emotional and vengeful and the men are the peacekeepers.
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Bored? Tired of the same old thing? Try shadowlands: sylvanas the revengining.
Eta. Youll love it if youve been watching the prequels. Sylvanas and the jailers offer. Sylvanas and the wrathgate heist. Sylvanas plays along and puts on a stern look for garrosh. Sylvanas and the temple of shiny lantern and angry woof man. Or our recent hit - sylvanas was right all along and you are nothing! Now available with phasing so you can relive the tree of teldrassil being burned anytime you want!
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My hatred for Sylvanas as a character comes from the fact that their writing is trash. I am tired of them writing her as a character who can do whatever she wants, any evil deed, and then get away with it. I want to see her get some kind of punishment not just because screw her, but because it would be something different for once.
I am tired of Blizzard’s lame trope of evil character commits numerous atrocities only to end up getting redeemed when they didn’t deserve it at all. It’s not just a Sylvanas thing, the same thing happened with Illidan in Legion, and the same thing before that with Grom in Warlords of Draenor. I’m just tired. I don’t want the same stupid trope again for a third time, for once I would like us to bring the evil character to justice and they get the punishment that they deserve.
Not all villains need or should have redemption.
I’d also like to say that yes it personally irritates me and disturbs me that Blizzard continuously writes characters who can commit such heinous crimes such as genocide and then they just write them off and give the characters redemption. Really? People can say I take that too seriously and that it’s just a game, but that reflects a lot on Blizzard’s viewpoints in my opinion and it bothers me.
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Daddy Kaplan is one of the good guys. He seems like a really chill dude.
I agree. I hate how they have written Tyrande, it should be a crime, and I think we all fear she will be next to be villain batted for wanting justice for what happened, and rightfully so. We all know she will get a stern talking to from Anduin as well about how wrong she is for being “consumed by vengeance”.
I wish Blizzard would have the balls to write Anduin as being wrong for once, or better yet just kill him. Let Tyrande lead the Alliance, she is the most experienced military leader and should have been leading to begin with. And no more of this “hush Tyrande” bs.
i don’t usually like participating in “grump game i been play for X years make me GRUMP” but i’ll go half in on one -
was absolutely expecting Sylvanas to walk up to Bolvar for a Shadowlands cinematic and go “give me your hat” while Bolvar goes “you are not getting my hat” and fight ensues but she gets punked by the Lich King and storms off to do something else dramatic and then the 9.0 patch and quest lead-ins to Shadowlands before launch being Bolvar contacting the heroes of Azeroth and being like “yo this former warchief is wack, here’s some leads on where she’s headed”
her going untouched by a demigod is bogus
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The best part is how Mekkatorque was allegedly the one with plot armor.
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This is objectively the best summary of that cinematic that I have ever read.
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She hit him with a rock, though.
I now need this scene to include bolvar moonwalking offscreen after deliverimg the 411 on sylvanas.
You make a lot of good points, but this seems weirdly reductive and counterproductive to discussing characterization in literally any written medium. If you can’t dislike Sylvanas for committing multiple genocides, you can’t hate Sauron for trying to wipe out all life because Tolkien wrote him so he doesn’t actually have any agency. You can’t hate Joffrey because despite being a spoiled brat that murders sex workers, he was written that way. You can’t hate Arthas for his genocides because he’s not real. You can’t hate Malfurion for being a useless homunculus because hey - that’s the writers.
The writing being poor doesn’t invalidate emotional responses to a character’s actions regardless of the quality of their decision-making, or else we might as well just not discuss the story at all and ponder the writer’s upbringing and personality and why they might write such a story. Yes, Blizzard sucks at writing and characterization - but if you attribute everything a character does to the writers, there’s no point in engaging with the media itself.
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Am I late to the party here or is there not any outrage to the fact Blizzard is setting up to replace Sylvanas and Nathanos with…Sylvanas and Nathanos in Calia Menethil and Derek Proudmoore?
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Vanndrel that was like 5 outrages ago, keep up!
I’ve been gone a year. These plot threads are all coming at me cold! Plus it keeps me out of Nazjatar. I actively loathe that zone. Like, there are zones I don’t care for but Nazjatar seems deliberately designed for maximum Un-Fun-nery.
For me, personally, it’s the dissonance between the aggressions. I concur with Idenna that female characters tend to get a level of hatred that male characters tend to avoid, despite still doing awful things.
I mean, how often do people scorn Jaina for standing up for herself? Or salivate over the thought of killing Tyrande because she refuses to let the Horde off the hook? Or call Admiral Rogers a war criminal while letting other villains skate by?
Idenna’s right to be suspicious of a game that fosters a pretty toxic outlook, in my opinion.
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Also.
https://blizzcon.com/en-us/watch?v=5dbdaf3408a7da84ce73a33b&eventYear=2019
Did anyone else catch the part where he said Sylvanas can just make more val’kyr? They couldn’t even let us have the pathetic “revenge” for a year before retconning it so Death Waifu doesn’t have to struggle or adapt.
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i mean, that’s completely fair for the most part but idenna came across as suspicious of a person
and i don’t know if it’s necessarily fair to imply that someone subconsciously hates women because they don’t like the thought of a genocidal maniac getting off scot free for the 80th time in this setting, especially when said person hasn’t expressed that level of hatred for tyrande, jaina, or rogers
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That’s not what happened, though?
Idenna expressed disapproval of a behavior, not a person. Further, at no point did she say that Sylvanas should get off free, merely that the idea of frothing over the punishment she “deserves” was uncomfortable (I agree with her and also think Dardillien is a solid fellow).
I took Idenna’s response was not “you can’t hold Sylvanas accountable because it’s just writing” and more “it’s probably not a good idea to get all consternated to the point of sounding creepy since Blizzard’s pulled these shenanigans before.”
That’s just my interpretation, though.
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