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What Apathy linked was their announcement before Anni servers. They were pretty ambiguous with their wording on why GKDP was still banned. Stating it eroded traditional guild and social structures.

They did say it was in line with their SoD ban, but then changed the wording. I personally took it straight up as the same ban to be safe.

Selling BoP loot is bannable in SoD, but Anni is rampant with it. Even to the point where MC items are being sold for flat rates. It seems the key issue is the bidding on items? I don’t know, it’s all a mess in my opinion.

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It’s undeniable that RMT is through the roof well after GDKPs were banned.

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Honestly if reported players would probably be banned for selling raid loot for gold regardless of a bidding system. No clue though.

It’s nothing like it was in 2019 and the difference is no GDKP.

Also calm down batman you don’t need to end every post with NEXT because a blue post was thrown in your face.

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I would assume so as well. People have said they reported players for selling BoP items from dungeons and they received action notices from Blizzard in the mail.

I personally never saw or heard of anyone being banned for it though.

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Probably a 1-3 day ban and gold removal tbh. They have upped their punishments though from what I’ve heard to like a 1 week - 2 week ban for buying gold and complete gold removal + items purchased with it. It used to just be they slapped you on the wrist with a 1-3 day and only removed the remainder gold that wasn’t spent.

Heard of a guy that lost his Lionheart’s, Edge’s, and Epic mount and slapped with a 2 week.

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That’s a nice sod quote. Too bad we’re all playing Anni, and talking about Anni servers, and the reasoning for Anni, is the one I quoted.

Which does not talk about RMT or botting.

Crazy how when you try to apply the old to the new, it magically does not supersede it.

Logically think about it. SOD drops, blizzard comes out and says RMT bad and gdkp bad cause RMT, then doesn’t ban it in ANY OTHER VERSION.

Anni comes out. Blizz says gdkp banned, we all asked why, and they said “Community”. Nothing about RMT. Nothing about Bots.

Using your logic, which is that Blizzard has this hard empirical data showing the confirmed link between gdkp and RMT, and that gdkps have to be banned to curb RMT, then wouldn’t it make sense to one, announce that they’re continuing this grand fight against RMT, especially since they already showed a precedent to do so prior, like with SOD, and wouldn’t it be logical to then ban gdkps across the board? I mean, if it’s so rampant that gdkps cause RMT then why does Blizzard freely allow literally Era, non fresh HC, Cata, and retail to all gdkp?

Using your logic makes no sense.

The only logical conclusion is that Blizzard wants to double down on “feel” and want wow classic to go in that direction, irrelevant and separate from any RMT related reason. I mean, they talked about community in both posts, but leave out RMT from the most recent.

So what does that really mean in regards to gdkps and rmt? I feel like it really means it’s overblown and Blizzard recognized that.

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Source please.

Oh, you don’t have one? You talk off the top of your head? Cool.

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Because those servers are already tainted and new servers going forward they are refusing to allow it. Makes perfect sense.

That is a Blizzard representative speaking on GDKP and WHY it was banned.

The Anniversary announcement on it’s GDKP policy simply states they are following in line with the SoD GDKP ban. They don’t need to give a WHY, which is why none was included, they are simply stating this is the policy they are going with on Anniversary realms.

The policy announcement would NOT include a WHY, simply the rule if this is the second time they are announcing a GDKP ban.

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Right back at you home-slice.

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Source?

The servers we’re playing on.

The amount of consumables everyone uses on multiple characters every week. The price of everything being through the roof and still selling.

I mean I sold Cloudkeepers for 2k not even a month into the game.

But yeah, RMT is non existent because GDKPs are banned. Right.

C’s up homie. One day you’ll get Ricky’s killer.

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No one said that, No one even made that argument. Sit down and go read the 100 previous posts in this thread.

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“RMT was worse in 2019”

I don’t have any facts but I will say that to strengthen my argument full of more opinions.

C’s up homie.

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Hey you are free to think whatever you want. Here is a fun thought exercise for you.

Buying Items in raid - Reason for RMT
Buying consumables for raid - reason for RMT
Buying powerleveling/boosting - reason for RMT
Buying Epic mount - Reason for RMT

Logic would suggest that Blizzard made someone do a list very similar to this but probably 3 pages longer. Only one on my small little list was outright banned. Do you think they randomly chose, or took the item that was the biggest cause for RMT and outright banned it and are working down the list of fixes to reduce and or remove RMT?

Looks like Black Lotus changes took place, consumables? hmmm next on the list… AFTER GDKP, interesting.

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That’s cope. RMT is a constant and ongoing fight. You wouldn’t apply that logic to any other RMT fighting action. You’d cheer if Blizzard came out and said all gold buyers are perma’d, including reversing all punishments issued and retroactively banning those previously found in violation.

So no it doesn’t make sense that Blizzard would say “Hey, we have all this supposed empirical data linking gdkps to RMT, so let’s just ban it in all new versions going forward. We’ll keep slaving away at the futile banning of bots for the older servers, and will not implement our new way of combatting RMT on those servers. Oh yeah, and we’ll only announce it one time for SOD, and then we won’t do it ever again, but we will keep reiterating the community part though. That part is worthy enough to be said again, but not us combatting RMT, no no no, we will not say that part again though.”

No. It doesn’t make sense. You’re either lying or your ability to come to a logical conclusion is so cooked you should have a supervisor.

FOR SOD. FOR SOD. FOR SOD.

THE NEWER ONE. THIS ONE :point_down:

IS THE ANNI ONE.

Like you’re living and dying on the old sod one, and failing to even recognize that the new one DOES NOT MENTION RMT AT ALL. SO WHAT CHANGED. WHAT HAPPENED. WHY DID BLIZZARD GO FROM CALLING US GOLD BUYER, AND BEING ADAMANT ABOUT IT, TO COMPLETELY, IN FULL, LEAVING IT OUT.

My entire point is that the new updated one, mentions community again. Blizzard felt the need to reiterate that point, but something as big as RMT, a thing plaguing the game for 20 years, does not have a slot in the announcement. So what happened. What changed? My guess. This “empirical data” was a bust, and there was no link in a high enough regard to actually curb RMT in any real capacity, but Blizzard doesn’t want to admit they’re wrong, I mean, look how long it took them to finally recognize people wanted classic, so they stayed the course and coped. Atleast this time they didn’t call half their players gold buyers on a whim.

Please, you’re actually lowering my IQ. I’d retain more brain cells getting trashed, over continuing this. You’re so unapologetically stupid.

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My boy just out here snitching lol

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ok, do it then. its no skin off my back :joy:

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I believe they banned GDKPs because people who hate them were not subbing, meanwhile people who like them will still sub even without them.

It’s all about subs.

Blizzard doesn’t actually care about RMT.

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What’s hilarious is 90% of that could be farmed with your warrior or a mage alt sitting in DME with herbing and alc.

Bro… roids? Farm it. Firewater? Farm it. Bandages? Farm it.

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It does when it is a controversial ban, a ban likely to upset and split the community. When done on fresh servers it is easier to track how much gold buying for GDKP is affecting the game with a fresh economy vs data from servers that allowed it in the past. Era was already ruined. hell GDKP shares on Era are 8k-10k payouts the gold is so inflated from the years of gold buying for GDKPs it is laughable, and that is what’s left AFTER everyone moved onto TBC. GDKPs don’t exist in retail, and I haven’t played Cata since firelands release but they really didn’t exist there either, mostly because when they banned GDKPs in SoD everyone thought it was across the board for classic and just stopped doing them for several months.

Fact is they banned it in SoD, it clearly worked for them to reduce RMT enough to say HEY! lets do that again for anniversary. to think otherwise would be… what was the phrase you used?? oh… “That’s cope”

Which is the policy they chose to in-act in Anniversary realms. Same policy, so same “SoD” statement applies. They are just pandering to the same spiel they always do about “Community” because that is the buzz word involved with Classic and getting it back to a “Community” based game. same reason they fought back and forth over giving us dungeon finder.

GDKP isn’t the ONLY thing that caused RMT but it was the largest and they continue to combat other reasons and avenues of RMT.

Pretty sure it was true when that statement was made and they had the data to back up the statement, probably wasn’t a good look to admit it, but they did which is why it wasn’t brought up this time.

Fact is if it didn’t have positive results when they REMOVED IT FOR RMT PURPOSES they wouldn’t have kept it removed for Anniversary and proof read the blue post so they didn’t admit they can’t trust their player base to follow the rules and not buy gold this time around.

Honestly if you can’t understand why they wouldn’t mention it being banned for RMT purposes this time around and instead say “Yup worked for SoD we doing it here, but this time we aren’t going to call our community a bunch of gold buyers, instead we are going to be wholesome and say it brings the community together” Then I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe “Getting Trashed” already took it’s toll.

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You dont talk with any actual facts.

It’s all just opinions off the top of your head.

Pretty funny.