I am talking about right now, what is he gonna do lol
I wasn’t talking about ‘right now’. I was talking about the moment that needed to happen for him several years ago and why nothing he can do would make him look like anything other than a patsy.
Performing an act of war to immediately show his loyalty after an armistice was signed would be decidedly not in the interests of the Horde, the faction he poorly represents.
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The divides happened in the alliance because Anduin has been showing he cares more about his enemies while neglecting his allies. He chose to extend the war after the 8.1 raid because he didn’t want to “be like sylvanas”, while ignoring the death toll that comes from prolonging the war.
In Warcrimes he ignores what Jaina has been through, treats her like dirt and says she is lost and this was someone he was very close to, but he goes on to spend long hours talking with Garrosh trying to understand him. He ignores Tyrande and the night elves losses and doesn’t really want to help them reclaim Darkshore, when Tyrande gets angry about this he assumes she is lost as well.
He may be an advocate for peace, but he is not an advocate for the people he leads. I’m not sure if they are intentionally writing him this way, I would assume it’s just a mistake, but this is how he is written, someone who cares more about his enemies and takes his allies for granted. Maybe he will come to a realization he needs to be a better leader, but I feel he’s being written as the devs mouthpiece for peace, so in the end everything will really just work out for him without really needing to learn anything about leadership.
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Baine and Anduin are two sides of the same coin. Neither come across as good faction reps, and appear to demonstrate more affinity and sympathy with the opposite faction. If the writers want these characters to truly embody the voice of reason in a world gone mad then they have to at least try and give them some credibility within their own faction.
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they do have it, just players want to kill kill kill
Yes, that is who Izhkarl is saying Baine lacks credibility with. The players.
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yeah I dunno why killing the other faction is so cool for you guys
Where as I’m confused by your confusion. You obviously read the forums… alot. Yet somehow you can’t describe, and possibly comprehend, the criticisms leveled at Baine and Anduin.
These aren’t new topics.
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The criticisms leveled at anduin i completely get tho, when you have a genocidal horde, as much as morally good peace is and how its bad to genocide others back, there is at some point where you have to ask yourself, when is enough enough? that makes sense, that the burning was too far to forgive. The horde doesnt have this problem at all, because the alliance doesnt do anything to the horde.
I mean if I was writing the game and I didnt have to worry about money or alienating players, No the alliance wouldnt genocide the horde, but would the horde exist, no it wouldnt as no sane country would allow them to exist as a political power after the things they done.
You know what I’m going to say here. The topic is Baine Bloodhoof being seen as a weak and unreliable leader. You’ve now claimed the Alliance has never done anything wrong. This dance has happened so many times that frankly, you following the same steps all over again, is just kind of boring. But okay, here goes.
Yes, the Alliance has never done anything wrong at all, and if you have any doubts about that, you can just ask Baine “firebombing my people in their sleep is merciful” Bloodhoof. Baine Blodhoof is not trusted by Horde players because Horde players are sick of a narrative that white washes Alliance atrocities and fails utterly to deliver a faction fantasy that justifies our faction during the multiple faction conflict expansions.
As much as Anduin is a part of the problem that you, and many Alliance players have with the narrative, Baine is a part of the problem that I, and many Horde players, have with the narrative. So neither of them have credibility with the playerbase and it has nothing to do with “killing the other faction being cool” or whatever you said to get a reaction.
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Yeah the horde started that war. I mean you cant start wars and then cry about being bombed. Sorry but the horde need a super anduin to start justifying there existance, its a bad story for the sole reason for the horde to exist in this world is cause they playable.
This point just flew well over your head.
You see, I’m agreeing with you. The Horde did start that war, even though the timeline doesn’t make sense and the idea that Theramore thought the best way to aid the Night Elves against invasion was to build a large road through the Barrens. The Horde started that war.
The story could have been written with the Alliance starting that war, they were certainly justified to start that war, but they didn’t. The story could have been written with Baine being angry at the cowardly and honorless way his people were killed, but he wasn’t. You conclude with the single most pointless conclusion I’ve ever seen.
And I agree with you. Blizzard has so thoroughly messed up the Horde side of the story, that I’m not even going to argue that the Horde’s existence is justified. And Baine is a part of that long string of screw ups.
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and having baine have a horde moment will just had to those, the horde needs to stop being selfish on the world stage for a xpac or two.
Incorrect. In fact, the exact opposite of correct. Baine has enough credibility as a peace monger that for him to turn against the Alliance, for him to propose action against the Alliance, we’d have to be justified.
I know, that’s not what you meant. For you the idea of a balanced narrative is so foreign that all you think is that this would be villain batting Baine.
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yes cause a horde moment to you is at the expense of the alliance, which is bull lol Why cant the horde just have a cool moment of saving the world like the alliance had for legion? Why do horde players want to be edgy all the time, yet complain that blizzard keeps villian batting you
Look at that, you made the exact same mistake I was predicting while I was adding my post to expand my thoughts. Good job.
As for the other thing you said, don’t worry. We can take an expansion off to deal with the Shadowlands and clean up the mess caused by our latest evil Warchief. Hell, we can do another expansion after that to deal with evil light monsters. And if this game is still running in the 5 years that takes, and the plot returns to faction conflict, I will continue to hope that it will the the one that is well written for the Horde. And if Baine wants to spend that expansion being the peacemonger that is wrong, then okay. I’d prefer Baine spend that time being the peacemonger who is pushed past his limit and accepts his responsibility as a leader.
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The Trolls and Tauren were here before you.
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Meant the orc horde. Sorry
the only way to make him a horde hero is if he defend the horde versus alliance aggression.
Showing that he will fight the alliance when he has to, even if two of the big
alliance names are his friends.
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Thank you–that neatly sums up something I’ve been trying to put into words every time the topic of Baine comes up. You nailed it.
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