Which is true… Thucydides made this observation during his philosophical study of the Peloponnesian War. War is a natural state. Anduin might have been able to maintain Peace for awhile, but ultimately, in matters of state, War is the equilibrium politics is naturally drawn too. That is because Peace is difficult to maintain, where as war can begin from things as petty as Fear, Pride and Self Interest.
So Sylvanas was not wrong here… She was just pointing out the inevitability of war, an unfortunate truth of the world.
Every time I say anything, you turn it into some vapid, boring conversation, usually relating around semantics, or “Word of God” nugget of lore. Which is neither helpful or fun to discuss.
What discussion is even possible if we narrow down every discourse to what is and isn’t explicitly said? If we leave NOTHING to interpretation, and take everything at face value? If that is how you see things, why are you even here? Is your entire purpose just to devolve discourse? Just to make conversation difficult?
Good lord.
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nobody else is trying to past non lore as lore
I honestly don’t see this happening. They’ve had 15 years to pull it off, but they’ve largely failed to do so. The best chances they had were in Cata and Vanilla, and they horribly blew their shot on those.
The council feels like a warped and distorted version of the Vanilla Horde more than anything. Everyone’s there and present because of Anduin rather than in spite of the Alliance, which was a pretty important part of the Horde’s identity.
We’re not going to see the Horde acting independently as a force for good. We’re going to see Anduin as a force for good with everyone else just falling in line behind him.
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Yeah, I am not either… You take everything I say as if I intend it to be explicit, concrete lore, when most of the things I do here is theory craft… So again…
Please, keep your catfishing self far away from me.
Tyrande doesnt look like she is falling behind yet she is a major character in shadowlands
Right - she’ll either die in a raid or come to an understanding with Anduin (and drag everyone through half a quest zone in the process).
Maybe - just maybe - we’ll get her chasing the ghost of Xavius and we get to follow Malfurian around instead.
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probably die in a raid since people have been complaining about the horde losing more major characters than the alliance
Wish it was Anduin though instead
Yeah, peace is good, whats so hard to understand, WoW will never reward characters for being pro war
Honestly… Warcraft’s story is not a story at all. The string point A to Point B storyarchs together with little regard for how or why in-between, and even less regard for the consequences of it.
They said it themselves, they look for these “BIG STORY MOMENTS” and delivering those is their primary concern, so they circumvent logic and good story telling to get from one place to another.
It is the same problem DC has with their superhero movies, and why they tend to be less enjoyable when compared to Marvel. Building a story around key moments is a misunderstanding of what makes good story moments in the first place. Good story moments are best when they happen organically… This is why player agency is so important in RPG games like D&D.
These big story moments without the backing up proper development and build up… they are just deceptive. Good story has intent behind the curtains.
What Blizzard has now is… said best by Geralt of Rivia “Like ordering a pie and finding it has no filling.”
Now here we all are… not talking about how good the pie is… instead talking about how fake and deceptive it is… Talking about how much the pie was not really a pie.
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Well Blizzard did say(https://www.millenium.us.org/guide/10782.html) it’s likely we will see the Val’Sharah Nightmare in Ardenweald… Along with the Drust Nightmare…
That’s all good, but it was the utter bullcrap of the MEANS to that END that I can’t tolerate.
Didn’t you guys play through the War of Thorns? I knew what i was doing the whole time. She told me why we were doing this as a pre-emptive defense. She spent a week fighting Malfurion at the border while we did dailies. There was a whole war plan in action. The burning was a mystery. We knew it was coming. It wasn’t until Warbringers Sylvanas was released like the day before that we all found out it was her order. I was among those who let out a collective “…really???” I wish my character could have deserted.
But yeah, Saurfang got a “change” of orders as we prepared to march one way, we went another instead. Of course he knew. She even laments in the cinematic that she trusted him with the most sensitive knowledge and he turned on her.
Anduin’s gotta learn what a real Priest looks like.
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Baine needed that ‘for the Horde’ moment in Cataclysm that got retconned to show who he actually served, even if it put him at odds with the Alliance.
Ever since, he’s just been a massive patsy for the enemy in my eyes and nothing he could do would garner my respect for him as a character.
I don’t think it was a faction reversal. I think it was a slip back to where it was supposed to be.
The Horde was supposed to be these informal siblings, united in the face of peril and defiant to fate. It was the Alliance who was supposed to be independent of each other and at times cold.
That only changed because of Danuser’s interview.
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The issue has always been more the Journey and its implications than the destination. Context makes a big difference. That distinction seems to usually be beyond you to see though.
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I think the horde have enough for the horde moments, they need more saving everyone moments
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The moment I’m referring to is when he was planned to turn the tide in the Barrens during the Northwatch expanse and he was supposed to lead an army against the Alliance.
He never ended up doing this- and even shrugged his shoulders and said ‘yep, Trajaho is a valid military target’, as if to mitigate the Tauren’s grievances with them.
With how his story has progressed, he doesn’t conduct himself like a leader of the Horde. His interests are strongly attached to Anduin and often times makes excuses for the Alliance’s actions. He’s only fought the Alliance once and that didn’t even count, because the Alliance was immediately at the gate of Lordaeron and it was him or them at that moment.
If you view it from the Horde storyline, he looks like a massive patsy and apologist for the enemy that has antagonized the Horde for some time, especially at the critical moment that mattered most to him and should have defined his allegiances so thoroughly that there’d never be any doubt; with the Alliance being on his front door.
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Yeah cause we are all people of azeroth and the alliance just wants to be left alone at this point,t he horde thinking they are some kind of victims is a giant meme
Homie, they were in the Barrens and on the cusp of entering Mulgore. That is an invasion in the purest sense of the word.
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