Contrasts in BfA, Big Baller Baine, and Faction reversals

The horde has to redeem itself, they literally should be helping the alliance, they have to prove that they really changed

They are building Calia for -something-. They didn’t give her a unique model to just stand around and be absent. She is going to be a leader of some kind.

Maybe the Horde and Alliance can finally have peace by helping eachother kill Baine and Anduin.

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Dalaran Vaporwave Dead Malls edition.

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Not a leader of the horde thought

Probably an undead leader. And the Horde is basically Alliance now.

The Alliance always rallies at the end. I expect a bump here and there but once the next big bad/Tyrande find out whatever she is looking for in Shadowlands it will end up united again.

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How boring.

How about we add a similar thing for the Alliance players then? Like, helping Rokhan or someone during one of the quest chains.

Been awhile, but don’t Alliance players talk to/help Darkspear trolls in Cataclysm, during the Zandalari patch?

Lmao

Honestly, I expect this too because of how Blizzard usually writes things. I am simply pointing out the troubling parallels to the splits in the Alliance after the Second War.

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Best thing the Horde can do for Alliance is to get the hell off our planet. Go find another planet to war on. But wait, then we would have intergalactic star wars.

Oh wait… we already have that. facepalm groan

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Rokhan doesn’t quite cut it though. Among other things, Horde only had him for one zone, and he was kinda generic, really. There isn’t a good Horde equivalent for Tyrande. “Maybe” Talanji, but that’s a bit of a stretch, and that’s assuming they give her a decent ending (i.e. not just wholesale forgiving the Alliance for killing her father.)

Done this questing dance enough times to see how it pans out. It doesn’t redeem the Horde in any capacity (because you’re technically not representing the Horde here), but the NPC goes out of their way to really rub it in how awful the Horde is.

They did this with Alleria and Turalyon back in legion - had to sit there and hear her RP about how awful the Horde is and then drag her around Mc’Aree so she can eat a naaru and get more powerful. It feels bad from start to finish, and all you’ve done is help an NPC who’d happily turn around and kill you if they could.

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Rokhan was just an example off the top of my head, but the idea remains the same. A Horde character that the Alliance quests with who is slightly hostile, but you help anyways.

I honestly dont care, we have to forgive you, the least you can do is be a hero for once, and being a hero is helping both factions, horde need to get over there selfishness, the alliance exists we are in the game too.

Forgiving a genocidal maniac that will never change?

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Alliance is comical stupid on the alignment chart.

Been doing the cross faction hero bit since Vanilla - the Horde PC is forced into working with prominent Alliance NPC’s far more often than the other way around.

What’s next - help Genn find his son’s soul?

(For the record, I feel that the state of Gilneas and Genn’s son’s death are just compensation for how Genn ruled his kingdom in WC2 and WC3. He can reunite with his son after he apologizes to everyone he walled off from his kingdom and left for dead.)

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Yeah you should do that.

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I think at this point, no matter which Horde character the Alliance needs to work together, after Teldrasil, it would be too much.

After MoP the Horde player has spent more time personally interacting with Anduin than with any of their own Warchiefs save Thrall.

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Well, yeah, we do. You haven’t spent that much time with Anduin since MOP, with Sylvanas you spent a whole zone in Legion and several quests in BFA.

We don’t have to exaggerate.

Vol’jin was fixed in the side compartment after his election.

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Agreed, Alliance characters should all make a huge deal about refusing to work with Horde players. Even the nice ones that opposed Sylvanas immediately and were instrumental to saving Azeroth like the druids and shaman that were sent to Silithus.