Content to remedy the intolerable Night Elf and Forsaken situations

[Droité-black-dragonflight]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

the only ones who have been against these ideas as far i noticed have mostly been a red background^^

Which is really weird? Like, I do not get it. It feels like Mt Hyjal for the NEs and Stratholme for the Forsaken would be the natural choices for new capital cities; while a new World Tree gets regrown (if they want one) and Lordaeron gets de blighted. Both prospective capitals have an enormous amount of Cultural and Thematic Power for both groups. Hyjal is highly defensive as the NEs need, Stratholme has a canon massive harbor … which the Forsaken should be allowed to use to deal with their population issues (AKA freeing the Scourge they can once they are truly freed from outside influence. Back to basics style).

Both just make sense.

[Dardillien-wyrmrest-accord (Dardillien)]

@Micâh-moon-guard

but I read that while in worgen form, they don’t feel the pains of ageing. Which suggests their worgen form does slow it to a degree.

This is true, Genn mentions he doesn’t feel the affects of of old age while in Worgen form and can fight like someone in their youthful prime.
Damn you ninja’d me with the edit!

But yeah I think it would be interesting if they age slower in Worgen form, but normally in human form…

@Micâh-moon-guard

. I’m not the only one who loathes it.

Indeed. I want worgen to be dangerous and dark. Make them vicious and not just tea sipping Stormwind Humans that can occasionally turn into wolf monsters.

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

The problem is that without Worgen there is no external distinction between SW and Gilneas and even the coat of arms is very similar

I have said this a few times, but it annoys me to NO END that Blizzard changed the Gilneas flag, which looked way cooler by the way, to just be the Stormwind logo with darker colors. What the hell is that?

Blizzard said screw Gilneans I guess.

[Micâh-moon-guard]

All so their golden messiah Anduin can save us from ourselves and the Void Lords.

[Vagrul-wyrmrest-accord (Vagrul)]

I’d rather the Void Lords eat us all at this point

[Micâh-moon-guard]

If I had the choice between the Void Lords and Golden Boy Anduin? Sign me up for the void lords.

[Morghel-daggerspine]

@Gantrithor-myzrael

Can you give a good reason why they should be alive?

Mainly because story-wise, none of them deserved it.

Malfurion was just trying to defend his home against the Horde, Jaina had just managed to sort out her business and move past her trauma. You have a point with Mekkatorque, if the war itself had led to anything beyond the stalemate it was. He would, efffectively, have died for nothing at Dazar’alor, by the Horde’s hand, which frankly would have been wasting him.

[Sarm-malganis (Sarm)]

And lo, the forlorn gazed towards the sky, tinted in everlasting light. They cried to the heavens, rending their fine clothes and tearing at their hair, shouting “O Golden One, why hast Thou abandoned us?”

And verily, The Great Sun brought His warmth to the forgotten as a face took shape in the heavens. The shape became Anduin, smiling down. And at once, His lessers became humans.

[Zahirwrite-farstriders]

@Morghel-daggerspine

Malfurion was just trying to defend his home against the Horde, Jaina had just managed to sort out her business and move past her trauma. You have a point with Mekkatorque, if the war itself had led to anything beyond the stalemate it was. He would, efffectively, have died for nothing at Dazar’alor, by the Horde’s hand, which frankly would have been wasting him.

Do I think it’s a bad argument, why? Well, deserve death is always relative, who goes into a battlefield can potentially die. It’s just the way it is.

However, I think Jaina could have died in BFA, the gnomes would have had no one without their leader, so it would have been more serious if he died.

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

@Droité-black-dragonflight

As a note, I don’t understand the generally negative pushback against Hyjal being made the NE Captial (Not Nordrassil, Hyjal)? Its absurdly naturally defended, has immense cultural significance, and one would hope that as an extension Winterspring could be turned into a full NE Winter Wonderland (I have been wanting to see NE winter aesthetics since Vanilla god damnit! Especially with the current art team!)

It’s not a practical suggestion because it’s a cross faction play area for Cataclysm.

Also Blizzard has made it’s stance quite clear… No new player capitals ever again so it may also be an expression of doubt.

[Gantrithor-myzrael]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

the gnomes would have had no one without their leader

Can’t POSSIBLY imagine what THAT would be like …

…

[Drahliana-earthen-ring (Drahliana)]

@Micâh-moon-guard

It’s a pretty obscure lore point, but I read that while in worgen form, they don’t feel the pains of ageing. Which suggests their worgen form does slow it to a degree.

You don’t fee lit when you’re high on dust either, so I think it’s more of the fact that their worgen forms are fueled by adrenaline.

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Gantrithor-myzrael

Can’t POSSIBLY imagine what THAT would be like …

It’s like he’s completely unaware that the least liked Alliance race is comparable to most of the Horde.

[Zahirwrite-farstriders]

@Gantrithor-myzrael

Can’t POSSIBLY imagine what THAT would be like …

Make it up with Blizzard, no one demanded that Vol’Jin die, no one. They did it on their own.

[Micâh-moon-guard]

@Drahliana-earthen-ring

You don’t fee lit when you’re high on dust either, so I think it’s more of the fact that their worgen forms are fueled by adrenaline.

Nah, Genn states in Wolfheart that he does not the aches and pains while in his worgen form like he does while in his human form and has the strength of someone in their 20s. There’s a clear benefit to being in your worgen form

[Dardillien-wyrmrest-accord (Dardillien)]

@Micâh-moon-guard

Genn states in Wolfheart that he does not the aches and pains while in his worgen form like he does while in his human form and has the strength of someone in their 20s. There’s a clear benefit to being in your worgen form

Correction I believe he states he has the vigor of someone in their 20s. Worgen are actually quite strong physically, as we see them able to lift grown men with one hand with ease, rip a person’s body in half, throw a carriage, and Genn slams his foot down and cracks that titanforged flooring which means he must be pretty freaking strong.

There are definitely clear benefits to being in worgen form. I’d argue they carry over into human form as well as we see worgen in human form outrunning a guy on a horse in the comics.

[Torsurtura-kelthuzad]

@Drahliana-earthen-ring

It was called the Darkshore Warfront.

Do you remember how that ended, mate?

Spoilers - Despite a god-level power up, Tyrande and the most powerful druid on the face of Azeroth couldn’t kill an archer with a power up.

Now we get to watch Tyrande descend into madness and probably end up as a raid boss (if we’re lucky).

If you consider that an actual payoff, you’re well short.

As an aside, for those claiming “The NElves got Darkshore back!” you’re conveniently forgetting the destruction of wildlife from the Horde’s wanton use of the Plague.

[Xamantul-ragnaros]

@Drahliana-earthen-ring

You don’t fee lit when you’re high on dust either, so I think it’s more of the fact that their worgen forms are fueled by adrenaline.

I think at some story it does say Genn looked more younger, which kinda is a vampire thing than werewolf but honestmy shapeshifting should do something to old cells in getting younger

@Droité-black-dragonflight

I don’t understand the generally negative pushback against Hyjal being made the NE Captial (Not Nordrassil, Hyjal)?

Cause it’s a cenarion circle place and many horde players have time spent in there.

@Drahliana-earthen-ring

Also Blizzard has made it’s stance quite clear… No new player capitals ever again so it may also be an expression of doubt.

They said it’s very time consuming and I can get but seriously, seeing the last hurrah was Zandalar and KT it’s sad cause capitals hubs are what they should aim in warcraft to make it distinguished

[Micâh-moon-guard]

She was talking about the 3 whole worgen sentinels who stand around while giving out a quest and doing absolutely nothing else as some sort of Proud worgen moment which was far from it.

Sigh Now I’m aggravated thinking about that craptastic war front

[Micâh-moon-guard]

@Xamantul-ragnaros

Cause it’s a cenarion circle place and many horde players have time spent in there.

It’s also very much the Kaldoreis most sacred place. Horde players can get lost about feeling bad on that front. That I’m not defending horde players on.

[Torsurtura-kelthuzad]

@Zarrín-zuljin

Afterwards, the Worgen could decide to keep their forces there and build a new home in Darkshore (strategically they would have the natural mountainous defenses and access to the water). The Night Elves would likely protest, wanting Darkshore for themselves (having obviously just lost Darnassus). In fact, I would argue your sentiments (“wait your turn”) would be a pretty fitting argument (though I think the Night Elves would get their turn pretty fast - either regrowing Teldrassil or building in Ashenvale/Hyjal/wherever).

I highly doubt the Worgen would betray the race that saved them from their curse and housed them when Gilneas fell. Even during BFA, Genn says that the Nelves need help more than they need Gilneas.