I’d be happy if I could send some honor to alts
If you want golden WoW that doesn’t time gate you on your gear Wrath classic is out.
You realize this is probably good fodder for why raids, especially mythic ones, shouldn’t get dev time at all?
Mplus participation has been dramatically higher than raids since legion. A part of that is the gearing, but I’d argue a lot of it, is that mplus doesn’t require you herd 19 other cats to do it. And has time requirements that are 30-60 minutes, instead of raid nights which usually run 2-3 hours at least.
You might like raids, and think they should be what the game revolves around, but it’s pretty easy to argue that raiding is no longer the central focus for the community at large.
I can log on, grab a few friends and run mythic plus. I can quickly join a pug to do the same. No guild drama, no drama over who gets the silly 1% drop ring, just so content, have fun. It’s not much surprise that raid participation craters more and more every season.
Edit: and no, nerfing mplus gear relative to raiding won’t help participation. Many would simply stop playing, so demanding that mplus gearing get nerfed is kind of a non starter for blizzard.
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There is no cap on the amount of total honor earned per season, only how much can be stored at one time.
This is mostly to stop pre-farming, and decided that is better than seasonal resets.
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Cry harder. If you want to get to 2400 then do +2’s until you’re max ilvl then why would you even play the game? What would you do after grinding all that valor from +2’s? Unsub?
Yes it is? Mythic raid gear is better than the highest M+ gear. We’re not talking about your normal and heroic gear. We’re talking about the highest gear possible. Which is from raids.
That’s because M+ is the biggest welfare gear gravy train in the game’s history.
Take away the boosted ilvl drops in the great vault, the unlimited quantities of 418 crafted ilvl infusions, the valor upgrades, and the overall quantity and quality of give-away gear that the (lack of) difficulty doesn’t justify… and M+ participation would drop like a stone.
I’ll give Blizzard a little credit, though: They tried to make the inflated gear rewards from M+ more in line with the difficulty in Dragonflight. And what was the response? “This is too harrrrrddd!” followed by week after week of nerfs.
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I get the “people will never catch up” mentality you are trying to avoid; but gear has a ceiling as it is, so that people can only go so high. Having infinite valor but being capped on gear doesn’t do anything for you, but having infinite valor and getting 382 gear lets you catch up.
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i’ll be honest, i don’t think unlimiting valor cap early on is a good idea either…
but i think gradually increasing the cap (they did this before in SL I believe) until end-of-season when it can be uncapped and used as more of a catch-up system was better than the 750 weekly max we get for the first half of the patch.
it was super annoying having to completely abandon your valor for a few weeks, because upgrading your weapon was 1k (just an example to illustrate how bad the current system feels)
Sounds like you’re the one crying about this crazy idea someone would have fun playing a game the way they would prefer. He grinds plus 2’s, you can grind your +4’s. Maybe Some people don’t wanna treat this game like a second job when they pay to play. Mostly people are paying for depression at this point. Your post screams “don’t play my way and youre a big baby” some people have a life outside pixels. Go touch (insert anything outside)
Better than unsubbing with 6,750/6,750 and nothing to show for it but 408 necks, cloaks and rings
You forgot the part where m+ participation is way up compared to raids because m+ doesnt have anywhere close to the same level of restrictions.
Wow… more people do things that they are allowed to do compared to things they are not allowed to do? You dont say!
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You could say the exact same thing about raiding. If blizzard went the ff14 route, where mythic raiding gave no power upgrades at all, and it was purely cosmetics, what meagre participation it has, would be deleted from existence.
If higher item level is the only reason people are going to do raiding, that strongly suggests that people don’t actually want to do it. As someone who has played since original molten core, raiders quit doing old content the moment they don’t get upgrades from it, they’re after the gravy train just as much as a mplus player is
Dealing with 19 other people’s drama, and needing to allot 3-4 hours to do a raid is not nearly as fun as smaller group content. And to be blunt, mythic plus exposes the failures of smaller number of people where at least heroic raiding, you can hard carry baddies to gear they definitely don’t deserve.
People are driven by rewards no matter what the content is. No one actually wants to grind rep… they ldid it for rewards… once better rewards are available somewhere else, they stop.
That isnt exclusive to m+, raiding, or anywhere else. That doesn’t suggest that they don’t actually want to do it… it tells you WHY people want to do it.
You can carry people through m+ too, you just can’t carry as many. People do sell guaranteed timed runs you know.
Also, you no longer have to dedicate 3 to 4 hours at a time for raiding… at least with heroic and normal.
All they need to do is open mythic raiding with a similar lockout to heroic. Then raiding and rewards would be as accessible as m+. M+ would still be a superior gearinf method because of valor, upgrading, and infinite repeating, but this would be a decent compromise.
The meager participation for mythic raids is only as meager as it is because blizzard systemically stops a huge chunk of players from doing it who want to.
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Mythic is never going to be “accessible” as long as it’s tightly tuned around 20 people performing almost flawlessly. The difference in logistics of getting 5 people who aren’t mouth breathers, and 20 that will be able to complete choreographed dance routines is insurmountable for most groups, especially friend heavy groups where not all friends are quite at mythic level.
It would be nice, and helpful, if mythic lockouts were personal, but the average mythic raider is obsessed with hanging on to that remnant of old wow, where you NEED a guild to do content.
My personal fix for raiding’s problems is to delete mythic entirely, bump the difficulty of heroic just a hair. Replace the distinct LFR tier with currency that can eventually be turned in for normal level gear. That would resolve ilvl creep over the course of the expansion, and make raiding accessible.
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I’m not sure this is true. I know the forums are a pretty small portion of the playerbase, but I’ve never seen someone on here who wanted to mythic raid expressing this sentiment.
I agree with you about the multiple levels of raid difficulty though. I mean… I remember walking into BWL and wiping on razorgore for weeks with a full guild group.
Nowadays people expect to down multiple bosses the first time they ever walk into anything on any setting below mythic.
Thank you no valor cap is the best thing!
How am i crying? I’m not the one whining over something I want changed. I think the system is perfectly fine and I like it. Meanwhile you all are whining about something you all dont like and WANT changed.
Wtf do you mean some people dont want to treat the game like a second job when they play? The valor cap entices people NOT to play like its a job and thats what im advocating. if the valor cap were removed people WOULD play it like a job. Scrambling like chickens farming for days trying to get all their gear valor capped as fast as possible. Do you even understand what you’re saying? Do you even understand my general point of why its a bad idea to remove the valor cap at the start of the season? It has nothing to do with people only being able to grind +2 keys because thats their skill level and more because people would just do +2’s as fast as possible as it yields the fastest valor per hour and they would have the best gear possible all from spamming +2’s.
and most people arent paying for depression. If you are, get help. Thats not healthy.
Uhhh … what??