Raiding is already the worst, least rewarding and most difficult way to gear up in the game.
M+ is infinitely spammable 24/7, far easier than raiding and rewards you for failing to time a key with high ilvl loot. Now with the new changes, you’re going to be able to upgrade your infinitely farmable loot too.
This effectively finishes killing off raiding for 95% of the playerbase, and forces them into running the horrible timed speedrunning content if they want gear.
Very poor form. At least put a weekly lockout on M+.
no ones stopping u from raiding and valor should upgrade KSM to 226 + 233 wep since pvp lets u plus they already stated valor has the same weekly cap as pvp
No. Actually casual content is much worse for gearing up. There is nothing for casuals to do but chores, and the gear will not get you into any groups whatever.
There is a weekly cap you cannot spam m+ all day and get full raid equivalent gear instantly. Raiding will probably still be faster than m+. This change allows m+ players to have a deterministic path for getting gear instead of just depending on RNG. They should add a similar system to raiding tbh.
You can still farm M+ all day, and I never said you could get it instantly. M+ remains an easy source of infinite loot. Weekly cap doesn’t change anything other than slowing down how quickly you can upgrade the loot you get for failing to time a key.
Rubbish, you are just trolling at this point. Raiding often drops nothing at all for the entire weekly clear. Raiding doesn’t reward failing a key. Raiding doesn’t give you an artificially inflated ilvl piece from the GV for failing to time a key. It doesn’t give you anything for failing.
Yes it does, which is exactly my point. It just completely invalidates raiding for gear. M+ already effectively does outside of mythic, and this just seals the deal.
If they put a weekly lockout on M+ loot like they should, it would be different.
There are plenty of people that don’t want to run ADHD timer based content 24x7 too, where the only real difficulty is picking the right fotm meta class.
lol just get good though, now i can spend 2 hours failing an 8 dos and get points to upgrade my gear instead of spending 2 hours in a raid getting 0 gear
The infinite loot is capped at a max of 210 (for a +15 which is probably much harder than a heroic boss kill anyways) this means that heroic raiding still gives better gear than m+ baseline. We will have to see how much the upgrade cost and weekly cap is to really know how the speed compares.
As it is now m+ will only give you a single potential upgrade from the weekly vault. With the cap of 210 ilvl, you quickly get to a point where you cannot get upgrades from runs. So to get 3 choices (which aren’t even guaranteed to be upgrades), you have to do 10 m+ runs which wont even give you an upgrade from doing them.
Don’t forget that for failing that DOS not only do you get points to upgrade your gear, but you get a guaranteed item at the end of the week that’s 3 ilvl’s higher than standard heroic nathria loot! All for failing an 8 key.
Except so far valor will only work upon mythic+ loot. So unless you are a mythic raider what’s the point? Do all instances to 10, that is heroic ilvl. Do 15s across the board, will that is better than anything you can get from raiding outside of mythic.
Raiding under the mythic tier would be pointless outside of hunting for achievements once you over gear it.