I am returning after a long hiatus (2009ish) and am having a hard time understanding scaling in dungeons in retail. I want to 2 man prior content dungeons with my son but if we aren’t the same level one of us just one-shots everything. Can anyone help me understand how scaling works? My goal is for us to duo dungeons at a challenging level. XP and upgrades are not a goal at all. Just the challenge and fun.
Thanks!
I think the best option for you would be to level two toons together, then when you’re sufficiently leveled and geared past say, all of the Vanilla dungeons, so you would be able to get through them with only 2 players, say maybe at level 35 or 40, and see if that’s doable.
The map will show you what levels each zone maxes at. I wouldn’t try until you out-level an instance by 5 levels minimum.
The higher you get, the more scaling is broken and the higher level differential you’ll need.
For that you are going to want o use the new-ish chromie time leveling system to make sure you are in the same timeline, and then all that expansions dungeons will level scale with you once you reach a minimum level.
If Party Sync is still a thing, you could try activating that. It will temporarily downgrade the higher level character to match that of the lower. It was accessed through the map/quest log last time I looked.
But they want to run dungeons as a party of two, so Chromie Time will ruin that.
There isn’t really a way to do it easily as a party of 2, although normal leveling dungeons are so easy you probably can just do it anyways.
Another thing you can do once you find the sweet spot for the Vanilla dungeons, is turn off your exp gains, so you can pause leveling.
You can still enter chromie time then just walk to the dungeons as a group of 2 though. the dungeons will scale to your lvl.
Won’t the dungeon still want a party of five of that level?
They will want a party of 5 at any level, but they should be doable with a tank and a healer or a tank and a DPS.
I’ve tanked leveling dungeons where I’ve basically soloed bosses or decent sized trash pulls, so clearing an entire instance at level with 2 shouldn’t be unrealistic.
100% impossible to do old content like that anymore with new toons. You begin t one shot everything even at the lowest levels with no gear on. Have to use time travel stuff.
So, you’re saying you can solo Vanilla dungeons at level 1 naked?
If you could get in them, then yea. I sololed TBC raids at level 20 or maybe it was 30. At the lowest possible level you could enter them I soloed it on my retail shammy and one shot everything even the main raid bosses. Super lackluster leveling experience. I dont play WoW to hulk smash thru everything like I entered in a god mode cheat. Low level content needs to be WAY more difficult. New players come in soloing all the raids at their level, then they do that all the way up, they get to end game and cant even handle the NPCs in DF because of it being easy mode.
So starting off is way too easy even for the most unskilled player who logs in for their very first time, then they see M+ spam invites, they hop into a group and cant even come close to handling even the easiest first pull, get overwhelmed and unsub.
It is so different between lowest level and max level that it might as well be two entirely different MMOs cuz the gameplay is entirely different. Only those of us who have been around for a while can handle the end game or those who have help from us. You try to do this solo play no help… cant be done.
Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
Yea I did it and you can too. I did on a shammy. All the TBC raids, you can solo 100% of the second you are able to do the raids and you end up one shotting everything even with the time travel stuff. You cant even enjoy any of the old content anymore at all really.
I can make a new shammy with you and show you. Or you can do it yourself. Or watch a YT vid of it happening. You cant deny what everyone is experiencing when they make new toons.
What you’re describing is not what’s supposed to be happening, so I’ll believe it’s happening when you provide evidence that it is.
Log in game and I will carry you thru any TBC raid of your choice with me being lowest possible level you need to be to join up. I have done it a lot. Im saying it can be done and so are multiple other people, you wont believe me and wont try it out for yourself so I can show you.
I am not saying this to brag about how easy it is. I am saying this to complain about how bad it is and it needs to be fixed. You go from starting WoW with content being WY too easy to then going to it becoming too difficult for most players.
It was not fun for me especially when so many of the NPCs out there require that you damage them and not kill them. Cant be done even with no gear and on rez sickness you still wreck most NPCs that are in the old world with a single auto attack.
I will take you up on that tomorrow.
It will be interesting to see your level 30 or lower shaman solo tempest keep.
I did it in Mags liar.
I just made level 1 your server. Named Mïiïs. I can run it soon.